Dylan Waco

I think Shawn has a strong number of super "memorable" matches in large part because he's been pushed and promoted as "the showstoppa!" and constantly put in the position to have those sort of matches. But in terms of volume of quality he is well below a lot of people, including people with shorter careers. But that argument also go's to the guys and gals in japan, who also are put in a position to have great matches and it's not brought up as a negative against Misawa and co. Volume of quality is an interesting point, as compared to Bret Hart and Vader his volume i would suggest, blows there's away. he also kept up a higher level than most for over 26 years which must count in his favour. I thought Shawn was average to bad from the time of his comeback forward so I totally disagree with you there. I am not a huge Bret fan and actually like Vader less than some here. Both have a higher volume of good matches and are - I think - inarguably more versatile than Shawn.

I'm disregarding your opinion completely for just tossing away the backlash 08 match like that. It's great. That you come off like a rude jerk for no reason doesn't help. Seriously read through this note from start to bottom and really take a look at why people are saying what they're saying. It could just be that you look at wrestling differently than a lot of us do. But you're just listing off matches or dismissing them with a few words. Wasn't one of the big arguments in this note that we SHOULD push Shawn with great matches, because if we break him down with things he does well and things he does poorly, it doesn't look nearly as good on paper as if you look at his "great matches?" I think Shawn has a strong number of super "memorable" matches in large part because he's been pushed and promoted as "the showstoppa!" and constantly put in the position to have those sort of matches. But in terms of volume of quality he is well below a lot of people, including people with shorter careers.

I am not not crazy high on Sting, though I do think he was a good worker. Still if you are going to include a lot of those Shawn matches it is hard to see any legit argument for eliminating something like Sting v. Flair from the first Clash. There's no reason not to list it if you are listing all his match's, but by itself it doesn't add to his case. That's why i asked for a list of his work, so you can get an overview of his career and see if he is really better or not. Sting isn't a guy I would push for over Michaels. If someone asked me right now who I would rate over the other I would say Michaels. I also think volume of good matches is really a TERRIBLE way to push "Michaels is an all time great" narrative, because for a guy with that rep he has FAR fewer quality matches than almost anyone else who is genuinely put in that category.

Pick any match vs. Vader. There better than Michaels. I love the Sing/Vader feud, but better than Michaels best against Foley, Taker, Benoit (wrestlemania) the Summerslam ladder match, i just don't see it. Also my point is, ok sting has had some great matches. But he need's a great wrestler to bring the best out of him, he's not a great wrestler who brings the best out of others. Also how many classic matches has sing had, you got Vader but who else. The Flair match's are average at best, um im drawing a blank here, the tag againt the Steiners? I am not not crazy high on Sting, though I do think he was a good worker. Still if you are going to include a lot of those Shawn matches it is hard to see any legit argument for eliminating something like Sting v. Flair from the first Clash. I think the best three or four Sting v. Vader matches compare very favorably to those matches. Sting had good matches v. Foley, Regal, DDP, Luger, Rick Steiner, Rick Rude, Meng and others. I would generally agree that his list of memorable quality matches is shorter than Shawn's, but there are probably more Shawn matches I've seen where I thought he was outright bad than Sting matches where I thought he was outright bad. I don't think Sting is easily better than Shawn though. In fact I might very well rate Shawn over Sting. But I don't think he's light years better than Sting

Someone pick five for me to do and I will do five. The catch is Will has to do five also.

I don't even think a lot of those matches are good, let alone good Shawn performances. Funny enough my favorite work of his is totally excluded from that list (Rose/Somers AWA feud). I honestly I have no problem trotting out a match list for anyone of those names, but I don't think running down a list of matches is any more compelling than running down a list of people.

It's funny you should ask because on Episode 22 we do a State of The Indies show.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...2658&cmd=tc Episode 22. Dave and I did a State of The Indies show. Broad range of topics covered including problems with ROH, possible guys they could bring in, what may be motivating the continued WWE talent pick ups from the indies, whether or not El Generico has anything left to do on the indies, et.

Abby as a babyface in 87 Montreal who comes out to Eye of The Tiger is awesome but makes you wonder if mescaline is legal in Quebec.

I think it was the right move, but I do wonder if they will keep the belt on him.

Steen's "cooler than you" act and in match stand up comedy really undermines any supposed attempt to make him a hardcore heel. That's to say nothing of his look which would have obvious appeal to many a wrestling nerd.

I don't think it will hurt Aries, but Roode as poor man's Flair is something I wish would get taken behind the barn and shot in the head.

I figure Roode will win in a screwjob.

Is what true of shoot style?

Start it

Filler has value in a wrestling match, especially if you are going to be booked to go long.

At Good Friends Better Enemies his "superhuman comeback" is about as "bad" as it gets from the perspective of blowing off the previous work of the match. Oddly I think it fits the match anyhow and I don't mind it at all

I'm missing the TNA show in my hometown tonight because I'm still up north on vacation. Just got a text from a friend who works for the building - they did 700 paid in an 11/12k seat building. Yikes

UHF is a great movie, Jim Varney is God and Pee Wee's Big Adventure is easily the best Tim Burton movie of all time and probably the greatest film in history. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

UHF is one of the great movies of all time

The only man who can bring me and Jerome together

Muta was notorious for never caring period