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Buddy Match Review Twenty-Two! Buddy Rose/Doug Somers v. Scott Hall/Curt Hennig - AWA TV 5/17/86 Fun to watch the early rope running stuff with Hennig and Rose as they are just absolutely perfect in execution. I'm not going to lie, the stuff with Somers and Hall was fine but I was far more excited to see Buddy and Hennig comes back in and lock up on a cool ground exchange. You can really see how much Curt loved to work with Rose, who he regarded as the absolute best. Cool transition as Buddy tried to back Hennig into his corner and reach for a blind tag but Hennig reversed course only for Buddy to break the hold, tag Somers and Somers immediately fall to an armdrag. Buddy is livid at how the match is going and starts to climb the ropes but Hall shakes them from his corner and Buddy crotches himself for a huge pop. That's a bit of a Buddy staple but always set up in a really fun way. Hennig goes FIP and takes some nice bumps. I really liked the sunset flip hope spot with Hall trying to pull the rope away from Buddy so he couldn't break the momentum. Hennig does a cool vault over Buddy and hot tags Hall. Hall puts Buddy up in a chokehold as Hennig hits a running dropkick to Somers. Col. Debeers shows up and argues with Hall and Buddy ambushes him posting him from behind. The heels are awarded the titles which was weird the first time I saw this, because I didn't know the title could change hands on a DQ. The heat section needed to be longer and fuck Scott Hall for being a worthless piece of shit and not wanting to job to Rose/Somers via fall, but this was still a good match.

I haven't watched the Adonis matches with a real critical eye. When I first got the set and watched it it was more of a "holy shit I can't believe this guy is even BETTER than I thought he would be." Maybe I'll watch those Adonis matches soon too.

How would Lawler rate as a Savage opponent with people here? I won't to go through and get caught up on all the names in this thread this week, but for now I'll pick Rick Martel 1. Nick Bockwinkel 2. Buddy Rose 3. Jumbo Tsuruta 4. Jimmy Garvin 5. Brad Rheingans Bock and Buddy is a toss up and honestly when I rewatch the Buddy matches soon I could see flip flopping there. The Bock matches are fresher in my mind and I like them a lot so I went with it. I like all the Jumbo v. Martel matches, whereas some people don't and think that had at least one really great match. Garvin was a really good opponent for Martel. They had several good matches and their best match together might be my favorite Garvin match ever. Rheingans only has one match v. Martel on tape but it is FUCKING AWESOME

I'll get to the dog collar match soon. I'm really just scratching the surface with Buddy

Bit behind because I was out of town so today I do two and then go back to my regular schedule. Buddy Match Review Number Twenty! Buddy Rose v. Steve Pardee - Portland TV 12/18/82 Early on Buddy was an absolute offensive machine here. He fucking kills Pardee with a brutal knee and stomp and then hits an awesome dropkick off of a rope running exchange. Buddy is a guy who is rightfully known for his bumping, timing and schtick so it is cool to be able to point to that flurry as an example of how strong an offensive wrestler he could be as well. Pardee comes back off a drop down spot with a nice arm drag. Cool spot with Buddy going for a chop and whiffing wildly. Pardee does a nice job controlling the arm and they did a really cool spot with Buddy hitting a drop toehold off the ropes but still being able to get into position to go back to the hammerlock. Rose hits a nice suplex for a near fall and follows this up by just pitching Pardee to the floor. Pardee fights his way back in and hits a sunset flip for a near fall and then catches Buddy with a forearm off a leapfrog. Buddy takes his crazy full rotation bump into the corner and then gets posted when he leans up for his trouble. Pardee reverses an inside out suplex attempt but Buddy hooked the leg on impact and scored the fall with a roll up. Really awesome tv main event. Post-match angle with Pardee getting piledriven on a chair and Billy Jack making the save was awesome too. Again this is cool as you get to see Buddy work as an offensive dynamo. This is really different from their equally awesome match from 85 that I already reviewed. Buddy Match Review Twenty-One! Buddy Rose/Matt Borne v. Brett Sawyer/Tommy Rogers - Portland TV 5/29/82 This is a pretty important match from a storyline perspective and a match that I seem to like more than others. Buddy and Borne were kind of a heel dream team coming in and Bret/Rogers were really over as the spunky, young, babyface tag team so on paper this is a very strong match up. Buddy does his kip up routine and gets smashed up by Rogers for his troubles. Borne and Rose took over on Rogers, with Rose hitting his sweet back elbow. Heel control segment is really good with some stiff knee drops, some great looking suplexes and some really nice double team moves behind the refs back leading to the opening fall. It's something of a dominating performance, but it doesn't leave you thinking the babyfaces are totally irrelevant or worthless. Second fall starts with the babyfaces in control and Borne ends up doing a nice weeble wobble and frantic sell job off an atomic drop. Sawyer hits some great dropkicks and Rose ends up tied up in the ropes. Rose takes a pounding and does his awesome backwards between the rumps head first bump! Rose ends up "accidentally" kicking Borne in the guts in the corner but they appear to make ammends. Then Borne accidentally does a diving double axe onto Buddy which was shockingly well done. DISSENSION! Sawyer cleans house and there is a great sequence with Rose taking a nasty shot off of a dropkick and then a huge bump over the top that results in Buddy arguing with an old lady in the front row. Borne ends up taking over with a nasty arm takedown and then fucking kills Sawyer with a forearm leading to another "accidental" shot between the heels. At this point it is pretty obvious where things are going, but you really want to see how they get there. Interesting hope spot with Sawyer locking on a full nelson and Rogers accidentally hitting him when trying to take a shot at Rose. I thought that was kind of cool as you now have a heel team that seems to be imploding and a face team hinting at trouble as well. Sawyer hits an awesome looking double sunset flip for a hope spot but gets cut off and Borne knees him in the face. Sawyer gets the hot tag off of a floatover escape and Rogers lights up Rose and goes for a top rope splash but Borne gets a cheapshot from the apron and Tommy face plants. Rogers escapes a double team with a double dropkick and then Borne accidentally dropkicks Rose and the faces take a really good second fall. Third fall starts with babyfaces in control working a headlock. Really strange sequence with a monkey flip by Sawyer and then an attempt at another monkey flip that is sort of half way countered. Not really a flub but an odd stalemate moment. Sawyer ends up battling and hitting a suplex and then Buddy goes up for a diving knee but hits Borne leading to the faces taking the fall and the match. Post-match Borne turns on Rose and destroys him with a chair. Damn good match that told an awesome story and had a good post-match angle. I can see how some people would think the interplay with the heels overwhelmed the match, but I disagree. In some respects it's one of my favorite Portland matches period

Went to a Smackdown house show tonight. Figured I'd do a mini-report and post here rather than start a new thread. Teddy Long came out to start the show and announced the three main events as Sheamus v. Barrett in a Street Fight, the returning to the ring Booker T v. Cody Rhodes for the I-C title and Henry v. Orton in a Cage for the World Title. Pretty loaded triple main event for a random house show. Ted Dibiase v. Jindar Mihal I figured this would suck. I prefer Dibiase's ring work since he's turned face though I think he is really hammy. Mihal is not particularly good at anything though and I have zero confidence that Ted could carry a match. In fact this was pretty good and the crowd was really into it. Teddy spotted a kid with down's syndrome in the first row and was doing interactive stuff with him for the whole match. Mihal's heeling was better than I thought would be. They actually put together some pretty fun cutoff spots and the crowd stayed with them. My favorite spot was Jindar stopping Dibiase's rope running/clothesline spot with a jumping knee. Really basic but this worked far better as an opener than you would think on paper. Dibiase won and was attacked by Cody Rhodes in the aisle post-match. Tyson Kidd v. Damien Sandow Pretty sure Sandow is an FCW guy. This was really funny at the jump as Kidd got a heel response coming out and was desperate to try and turn the crowd before Sandow got to the ring. Sandow has a really great ring entrance as he was sauntering around demanding small children sit down. He had this huge white robe on and looked a lot like Kanyon from a difference. When he got into the ring the big reveal was him dropping his robe to expose tiny pink tights with bright purple knee pads which immediately got him massive heel heat. Honestly this was a really fun match. Sandow is a very good heel in the house show sense. He is good with taunts and mannerisms and building heat. Kidd's athleticism actually got him over big time with a crowd that was indifferent at best. They actually did some fairly impressive athletic matwork early, a pretty complicated spot on the floor setting up Kidd's rolling senton, and there was a really good finish with Kidd hitting a rotating slingshot into a sweet pinning combination for the fall. I could see Sandow getting over as a big time heel under the right situation. Justin Gabriel v. Heath Slater Slater really would have worked as a jobber in the 80's with that look and his willingness to bump like a lunatic. Even his mannerisms would have worked well there. As a "WWE Superstar" it doesn't work. It's not that he's bad. He's not. But he is a blackhole and the crowd clearly wants him to die. Not in the sense that he's a good heel. In the sense that he's a being they wish would not exist on this Earth anymore. Gabriel isn't really over either, but he has one move that is insanely over. This was by no means a bad match and they even did some nifty stuff early, but no one gave a shit at all until Gabriel teased his finish and then hit it a few second later. Cody came out and attacked Gabriel post-match and then cut a promo on Booker T. Hornswaggle started to come to the ring as Cody was leaving, but Rhodes turned around a piefaced him. I mention this because Hornswaggle was about ten thousand times more over than either guy in the match and Cody's mic work was so much better live than it is on tv. Daniel Bryan v. Hunico I don't hate Hunico at all, but man alive does he need to find some shit to do during his heel control segments. Bryan is a guy who can bump and sell his ass off but there is only so much you can do when your opponent has no fucking clue how to build heat or work holds or do much of anything on that end. Bryan was really over from the jump and did more in this than I expected. Surfboard spot got a huge pop, Hunico took a sweet bump off his diving knee and Bryan busting out a pretty crazy tope was good stuff. Bryan won with a Lebell Lock out of nowhere. Not really a good match, but there was good match in it from Bryan. Cody Rhodes v. Booker T Booker got a nice reaction, looks in good shape and hit some of his signature spots well. He had really great looking punches. Still he got blown up quick in this and Cody really had no clue how to cover for that. Cody is someone I am coming around on, and carries himself well as a heel, but man he is limited when it comes to working a heel control segment. When there was action this was a pretty good match, but there were huge deadspots in this. They finally put together and decent sequence, with Rhodes hitting his kick off the middle rope, Booker getting a really organic looking axe kick in, a nice tease of a book end....and then Cody gets intentionally dq'ed. I don't mind that at a house show, but the match was just starting to get good. Post-match Book hit his finish and Hornswaggled came out and hit the tadpole splash on Cody and we got spinnaroni's from the faces which everyone loved. Dance Contest hosted by Kaitlin Really embarrassing stuff with four kids brought into the ring for a dance off in order to win the right to hang out backstage with "WWE Superstars." The co-winners were a five year old that the crowd mercilessly boo'ed and a 15ish year old girl that was wildly cheered for all the wrong reasons. I actually feared for her safety backstage. Rosa Mendez/Nattie Neidhart v. Alicia Fox/AJ This was actually a good match. Nattie was one of the better wrestlers on the entire card actually as she came out jawing with the fans, never stopped and was just really good at playing to the crowd. She took pot shots at Chimmel all match to, at one point hurling something at his head in a hissy fit. There were about ten "Nattie gets her ass spanked" spots in this which played to the fans looking for comedy, the pervert fans, and Nattie's strength of playing a fool/stooging. Nattie was also an excellent base for AJ who worked the majority of this match, with Alicia doing a good job working the apron. There was also a pretty great slap exchange with Alicia and Nattie with both of them just pelting each other three or four times. Finish was kind of out of the blue, but the post-match with Nattie carrying Rosa to the back over her shoulder while stopping to talk shit to every nine year old in the crowd was really great. She really was one of the stars of this show. Wade Barrett v. Sheamus (Street Fight) Best match on the show. Sheamus was fucking crazy over with the crowd and was literally swarmed by little kids at the first guardrail when he came out. I have been a critic of Barrett in the past, but he is clearly getting better. He has a commanding presence in the ring as a heel and went tit-for-tat with Sheamus in the stiffness department. Both guys were taking these huge full impact flat back bumps all match and Barrett fucking destroyed Sheamus with knee combinations while he was tied up in the ropes that looked really stiff. Later Sheamus came back with a ten count headbutt in the corner spot that looked really vicious. They did a great job building the prop spots in this as they teased several things on the floor with a chair before Sheamus took a huge bump into the stairs. Later Barrett introduced a kendo stick and hit some crazy shots on Sheamus who of course had marks on his back for the rest of the show as a result. Sheamus got in a comeback later and got in his own nasty shots with the cane. Really crazy top rope spot as they teased the big Sheamus shoulderblock, then a superplex, and then Sheamus ended up doing a leap over Barret into a forward roll before eating a sidewalk slam for a pretty believable near fall. Finish was pretty great as Barrett got into the ring with the chair and destroyed Sheamus with shots to his ribs. He set up for a big slam on the chair and Sheamus escaped and fucking killed him with a brough kick for the fall. Seriously great house show match and probably a top three singles match for either guy all year. Mark Henry v. Randy Orton (Cage Match) Orton was over too with the crowd, though I think Sheamus was probably the guy who got the biggest reaction on the show. Henry was really great in this match and it started before the bell rang as he was complaining about something to Tony Chimmel and then refused to let the ref search the bandage on his ankle which he was selling the shit out of all match. Orton throws a punch like a girl, but at least they connect fairly well and Henry sold the shit out of them in this match. There was a great spot early with Henry powering down Orton and then doing the outstretched arms Randy Orton pose with a huge shit eating grin on his face. Henry was really great selling the leg here and actually got in more offense than I was expecting as he hit a boss running powerslam and a big splash that was actually much sicker looking than usual. Orton was not the best targetting the leg as a whole, but did do a great Garvin Stomp variation that was entirely on Henry's ankle and looked really nasty. They did some cool stuff with Henry bumping big and getting caught in compromised positions between the ring and the cage resulting in getting his head wrecked backwards into the steel, getting posted, taking the crazy Orton rope assisted DDT, et. In principle I don't like the idea of a monster heel trying to flee, but it was a cool quirk of the Cage rule and Henry was really convincing about getting "trapped" between a rock and a hard place over and over. This match also had a pretty great house show finish as Orton went for the RKO and Henry tossed him off and went for the WSS only for Orton to escape and hit the RKO to a huge pop. The building was literally shaking as Orton tried to crawl out of the cage when Barrett showed up and attacked him. As this was happening Henry got up and just casually walked out of the cage to massive heat. Post-match Henry went back in and shook hands with Barrett. Naturally Sheamus made the save from the double team and Henry actually took a big bump into the steel before heading to the back. Good match that the crowd was really into. Overall it was a typically good WWE house show. Can't remember the time I saw one that wasn't at the very least good.

You could easily argue that 08 ECW was the best "promotion" in the World. Henry was nearly as good that year as he is now. Bourne was excellent. Chavo had a very good year. Punk had an underrated year. Matt Hardy and Finlay might have been the two best wrestlers in the World. Miz and Morrison were on the show as a unit a lot and were really quite good, right there with MNM in their best moments. I don't know that there was ever a week where they didn't have at least one good match and more often than not there were multiple quality matches on the show. Bourne v. Chavo was my match of the year at the time, not sure if I'd feel the same way now. But there is a fuckload of goods stuff from ECW that year. On the other hand, while I liked the broader feud, I fucking HATE the Jericho/Michaels ladder match. I actually watched that ppv at a huge party filled with Michaels marks and when it was over everyone was talking about how Michaels looked like trash and should retire. Kind of funny really as that is not something that happened often. Jericho tried in the match, but I thought Michaels was an absolute disaster and really hated the thing to death at the time. It's a rare match that I can't imagine ever rewatching though I guess I will eventually

Feel free to chip in with more comments on the matches as you get to them. I'm interested to see if anyone else likes his San Fran stuff as much as me and my little brother do

Funny enough I think 08 was easily the WORST of the last four years on the major brands in terms of in ring stuff, though ECW was there to the big picture up A LOT overall

Jerry Lawler 1. Bill Dundee 2. Terry Funk 3. Dutch Mantell 4. Kerry Von Erich 5. Nick Bockwinkel Lots of contenders here and I could see filling out slots four and five with a half dozen other names (Hennig, Idol, Rich, Savage, Bret, Gilbert). One is obvious. When you have 35 years of good to great matches with someone it's not hard. I am biased toward Funk but I have him over Dutch because the best Terry v. Jerry matches from their physical primes matches up very closely with the best Dutch v. Jerry matches and Terry/Jerry took their show on the indy road and continued to have high end stuff as recently as two months ago. Kerry and Nick get marks for being the best of Lawler as "traveling champion" and "challenging traveling champion" 2 Cold Scorpio 1. Sabu 2. Shane Douglas 3. Barry Windham 4. Chris Benoit 5. Rob Van Dam Jericho has a case here and I could maybe be convinced he belongs. Sabu and Scorp had a great series of matches. Scorp was one of the better guys at making Sabu's stuff fit into a well laid out match without killing what made Sabu Sabu. Douglas could easily be number one, but I rated Sabu higher because there are more quality matches there. Bottom three is tough but the Barry matches have a different feel even now, Benoit was a good traveling partner for him and while I'm not sure Van Dam should get a ton of credit, Scorp has two of the best four or five RVD matches I've ever seen. Nick Bockwinkel 1. Curt Hennig 2. Wahoo McDaniel 3. Jerry Lawler 4. Rick Martel 5. Larry Zbyszko Verne probably belongs on this list but I've not seen much of their 70's matches. Hogan, Hansen, Jumbo and Billy Robinson could easily place and perhaps Billy should. He does have that AJPW match too as well. But I went with Larry in the five spot because Bock seemed to really work a more high octane style against Larry that he rarely worked in non-studio matches. Wahoo is so high because their best match is one of the best matches I've ever seen. Rated Lawler over Martel because those matches are the best of Bock as traveling champ and as a Memphis fan feel like a huge deal even now. Hennig is easily his best opponent in terms of depth of great matches from where I sit. John Cena 1. CM Punk 2. Umaga 3. Shawn Michaels 4. Edge 5. Randy Orton Punk should be number one. The difference between him and the other guys is that none have both the really great matches and the high end tv matches the way Cena and Punk do. Plus we have house show footage from Cena v. Punk that tells us how good they are there as well. Umaga is tempting at one just because it was a perfect dynamic and their best match is so great. Everyone knows i'm not a fan of post-comeback Michaels,but I thought Cena was his best post-comeback opponent and their matches hold up very well. Went with Edge narrowly over Orton because I really love their two marquee gimmick matches (the LMS match and the TLC match) and they don't have any matches that I thought were disappointing whereas Randy and Cena do. Having said that Cena v. Orton from Summerslam 07 is a really awesome match. William Regal 1. Finlay 2. Chris Benoit 3. Larry Zbyszko 4. Arn Anderson 5. Christian Bunch of guys who could fill out the bottom three spots and I almost feel bad leaving Danielson off. Sting is another guy I could have seen on there. Went with Christian because I thought their series of matches from 09 was really fucking good stuff and the closest thing Regal has had to a real program of merit in some time. The best Arn matches are great. Regal's run v. Larry is crazy underrated, with all three of their big matches being quality and all three being different. The SN match is a legit contender for top ten in WCW history. I actually think it's tough pickings between Benoit and Finlay in the top slot, but went with Finlay by a small margin only because I thought their best matches had more variation than the Benoit matches did. Five more: Tajiri Dustin Rhodes Bob Backlund Brian Pillman Bret Hart

I like that match a lot - but it's not even the best Chavo v. Punk ECW TV match that year

In no particular order Punk, Taker, HBK, Edge, Orton The 1st 3 are pretty much responsible for the best matches of his career You mean they are responsible as in they did all the work, or they happened to have his best matches. Because watching the Punk and HBK series I don't see how anyone could argue that Cena was being carried.

You decide. For my purposes I would tend to view things through the lens of programs or at least multiple matches. But I don't care if someone applies different logic as long as they are clear about why

Thought this would be a fun topic and a bit different. Toss out a few names at a time and we can run down who we think there top five opponents were and why. I'll get things started with five names and I'll leave the thread open for a little while before I answer myself. Jerry Lawler 2 Cold Scorpio Nick Bockwinkel John Cena William Regal

Buddy Match Review Number Nineteen! Ed Wiskowski/Killer Brooks/Buddy Rose/Roddy Piper v. Ron Starr/George Wells/Hector Guerrero/Adrian Adonis (Elimination Match) - Portland TV 4/7/79 Love the opening of this with Piper being theatrical as fuck in every motion, Hector running off some nice spots, all the faces getting some early action, and Adonis hitting an epic looking diving elbow off the top to Piper's arm. Holy shit Ron Starr's exchanges with Rose and Wiskowski were really great with both guys taking huge theatrical bumps and flying around the ring wildly for everything. Disturbing moment as George Wells appears to fuck Wiskoski's face, which I suppose may shed some light on the fears that were represented later in the Col. Debeers gimmick. Piper gets crotch posted, but eventually fights his way back to the heel corner tagging in Brooks while clutching his balls. Seriously Piper sells the fuck out of this ball shot and there is a great camera shot of him hunched over clutching his junk while Rose kneels down to console him. Heels end up taking turns in rapid succession working over Ron Starr. They do a great job isolating him in the corner and when he finally does his scramble bit for the hot tag it is opposite Buddy and comes off really well. Wells comes in and makes a run with the heels bumping huge for it but Wiskowski hits a diving headbutt to Wells as he tries to cover Rose and the heels take the first fall. Second fall starts off with Adonis in peril but Hector comes in and lights up Piper who again is at his theatrical best. Hector ends up in the ropes with the heels beating the piss out of him, kneeing him in the head and crotching him behind the refs back. Hector also takes one of the more thuddish face plant bumps I can remember. They end up working over Hector's ribs violently and Hector takes the fall and gets eliminated. Next stanza starts off with a really great nearfall off of a sunset flip from Starr and then a great sequence of wild bumps off the apron from dropkicks. The babyfaces actually isolate Brooks, including a cool desperation double team off of a semi-flubbed spot. Brooks gets counted out after an accidental headbutt from Wiskowski and the heels tease dissension. Brooks ends up attacking Wiskowski and Rose attacks Brooks from behind with Piper siding with Brooks. The action was really great in this and I liked the angle with the heels splitting at the end, though the failure to pay off on the totality of the gimmick was a bit annoying. Still this was awesome. Buddy Rose/Wiskowski post-match interview as Brooks gets stretchered out. VQ here is really shitty. Technically Adonis and Starr win the match at this point as Rose and Wiskowski get counted out mid-promo. The whole thing rules pretty hard.

I've heard that rumor about Patera as the "backup plan" before and I don't buy it. Heel champs were the exception not the rule up there. I refuse to believe they would have even tried to turn red hot heel Patera face at that point.

If you are talking body builders Bulldog is a pretty good choice of the top of my head though I am sure there are others. If you are talking weightlifter/powerhouse types that is a different beast to me. The answer there is Mark Henry in my view, with Ken Patera being second. Though I could be convinced Patera was better with more MACW footage

Also Ziggler does a standing elbow drop as a regular part of his moveset, although it's not really the traditional "elbow drop" as he leaps into the air when he does it

Yes they do and fairly regularly at that. I seem to recall some good ones in the Air Boom v. McGuillicutty/Drew Mac Superstars match from a couple months back. And this week on SD there was a really fucking good tag with Ryder/Sheamus v. Swagger/Ziggler that had some nice hope spots.

Buddy Rose Match Review Number Eighteen! Midnight Rockers v. Buddy Rose/Doug Somers - AWA I think this match may be from early 87. It is available from Khawk on his Super Mix #37 and as far as I know is the rarest of the matches from this feud. The VQ is spotty and for a moment here or there bad, but it is another awesome match from the series and is unique from a lot of the other matches in how it is structured. Interestingly they jumped right in with a Rockers double team on Buddy rather than working schtick/rope running spots/et. early which was the norm in this feud. It's still a shine segment but it's a bit less of Buddy/Doug playing the fool early on than what you get out of say the Wrestlerock match. That ends up coming in the second portion with Somers and Jannetty and ends with Jannetty hitting an awkward looking Thesz Press. Shawn trying to get in a cheap shot and having to tip toe out when the ref spotted him was pretty funny. Rockers really focus on the arm of both Doug and Buddy early and both of the heels take offense well. Somers ends up decking Shawn with a forearm off the ropes and tags out to Buddy who comes in, hits his back elbow on Shawn, spits on Marty and slingshots Shawn into the corner. Just masterful douchebaggery from Buddy here. I enjoyed the Buddy control segment as he worked in a variety of offense, but the VQ i parts of this is pretty shitty. Cool spot with Shawn powering out of a camel clutch, but Buddy underhooking Shawn with his legs and tagging in Somers just before Buddy takes the corner bump. That's honestly one of the better looking cut off spots I've seen and is completely original so far as I know. Nice leaping hot tag to Jannetty off of a suplex reversal. Buddy is a bumping motherfucker here and Somers ends up breaking up a pinfall attempt. Cool spot with a double knock down between Rose and Marty off a whip out of the corner spot when all four guys were in. They tease a hot tag but while Shawn is tied up with the ref Somers slips in and rolls Buddy to the floor. Jannetty stands up dazed and goes to slam Doug, who hits a small package for the pin. This started slow and does have he rough VQ, but I loved everything from the Michaels heat segment forward, including a really great finishing run. It's not anywhere near the best match of the feud, but is's a cool find and a very good match on it's own right.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...2658&cmd=tc We answer this question at that link

Link to the near riot Steamboat match I mentioned on the show. Link to "Ken Patera's Feats of Strength" angle with Tony Atlas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDHos_Piqu0 The Sheiks are born angle with Heenan selling Patera and clips of the title win v. The High Flyers

I wanna thank Dave for letting me rant on this show. For those who have been looking at my Ken Patera thread and saying "fuck that I'm not reading all that shit" this is a good summary. Musgrave gets in another really great Von Erich joke by the way

Well I agree that Buddy leaving Portland was it's downfall, but not necessarily because of booking.

"UFC is covered too little" is pretty much exactly why I have never subscribed and will never subscribe to the Observer. For the record I am - and always have been - a MMA fan