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Territories, probably in small-batch sets, NWA/WCW, Joshi in theory.
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How is Showtime helping boxing get its shit together? Showtime is a major contributor to the blood-feud schism between Golden Boy and Top Rank that makes countless attractive match-ups impossible. Don't get me wrong; I'm fine with Showtime stepping up as a stronger player. But boxing is as fucked up as ever.
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Viewed as just a Hogan-Flair house-show sprint, this was good. Flair's signature bumps actually fit really well with Hogan. Ric could've seemed a little tougher in his control segments, but that probably wasn't in the cards no matter where they matched up. Of course, it's hard to ignore the broader context of this not seeming as big as it should and of them diminishing Flair as a threat out of the gate. It's a shame, because they clearly had a memorable Wrestlemania match in them.
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[1991-12-27-WCW-East Rutherford, NJ] Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman
Childs replied to Loss's topic in December 1991
I haven't watched the SuperBrawl match recently enough to make a good comparison. But this was an excellent showcase for Liger, who couldn't have asked for a better U.S. opponent than Pillman. I always have trouble getting past the Jersey smark commentary. I suppose that's small-minded of me. -
This was actually pretty fun to watch, because Berbick was so animated as the guy getting double-crossed. I don't agree with those saying he came off as a bitch. Takada was the clear asshole in this scenario. At least his veneer of legit toughness would eventually be shattered.
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Watching Portland wrestling from 1981 and just saw a promo by a fresh-faced Bourne and a pre-insane Buzz Sawyer. Depressing.
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[1991-12-12-SWS-Superwrestle in Tokyo Dome] Hulk Hogan vs Genichiro Tenryu
Childs replied to Loss's topic in December 1991
Excellent match. Hogan really upped the quality of his offense in response to Tenryu's stiffness, and the whole thing had the Clash of the Titans feel you'd want. This was my favorite Hogan match of the year and quite possibly Tenryu's best as well. -
I really dug this as well, Pete. Norton's strongman spots looked very cool, and Hase did a great job in general eating punishment and bouncing around for the big guys. Typically hot finishing stretch for a Muto-Hase tag, with the crowd going apeshit. I'm not sure the NJ tags have been better than the AJ tags this year, but it was certainly still a valid debate at this point.
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This blew away the Thundercats -Trio Fantasia match in terms of building drama. I was glad I had read Bix's post before watching, because I would have found the rules confusing. But knowing the set-up, I loved the way Black Shadow staged his run at Santito's mask. I'm a sucker for Santito bleeding through his mask, and this was one of the more dramatic examples I've seen. All the brawling outside came off as really intense and crazy, and both guys showed great fight through the nearfalls. This might be my lucha MOTY. I had never heard of it before and really loved it.
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Sugar rush ... Andre-Hansen, Lawler-Dutch barbed wire, Gordy-Khan, Funk-Flair GAB, Kobashi/KIkuchi vs. Kroffat/Furnas 5/25/92, Hash vs. Tenryu 8/1/98, MPro multi-man 12/16/96, Eddy-Brock title change, Danielson-Morishima 8/25/07, Sting-Vader strap match, 9/12/88 NJ 10-man.
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Needless to say, I'm curious about this latest New Japan "best show ever" without having any intention of watching it myself. Work your magic Dylan.
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From the '80s sets I've worked on, New Japan was strong in 1983 and first half of 1984 with Choshu's assault on the establishment. And again in 1986 and 1987 with the UWF guys and Choshu coming back in. All Japan was incredible in 1989 with the culmination of Jumbo vs. Tenryu and a lot of fun supporting stuff. From the yearbooks, EMLL had a great 1990, led by Dandy, Satanico, Azteca, etc. All Japan had a great 1993-1994 (really through 6/95), highlighted by Misawa-Kawada heating up and Hansen having his last transcendent run. New Japan did a great job of building its next generation in 1991. From the 2000s, I'd agree on 2007 WWE -- great year for Cena. Thinking back on ROH, I guess 2006 was probably the peak with the CZW feud and Danielson's title reign. IWA-MS was consistently fun to watch in 2002-2003. I don't know about overall years for puro, but I really liked the New Japan vs. All Japan stuff with Kawada in 2000 and the Liger vs. Kikuchi stuff from NOAH in 2002-2003. I guess NOAH was a pretty strong promotion overall during Kobashi's last big run in 2004-2005. IWRG had that great year a couple years back -- what was it, 2011?
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[1991-12-08-Monterrey] Trio Fantasia vs Los Thundercats
Childs replied to Loss's topic in December 1991
This didn't do much for me, which was a real surprise given the praise from Loss and Pete. There wasn't much to the first two falls. And though the third fall featured plenty of blood and chaos, they didn't build to the decisive moments in any compelling way. It was like they went through the motions of doing a wild, hate-filled mask match without establishing the underlying sense of competition. I don't know; just didn't connect with me. Maybe it would be different if I knew the wrestlers better? I'll rewatch at some point, but I don't think it would make my lucha top 10 for the year much less my overall top 10. -
However, fans are welcome here. Right. I just wanted him to be aware that he might get more enthusiastic recommendations on other forums. Wasn't trying to be dickish.
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This probably isn't your greatest haven for Dragon Gate fans.
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Ending sucked at the moment, and you would hope this will put an end to Bryan's headfirst bumps to the floor. But you would think they could work this into his whole weakest link storyline pretty effectively.
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[1991-12-06-CMLL] El Dandy vs El Satanico (Hair vs Hair)
Childs replied to Loss's topic in December 1991
Judged against the same match from the year before, this was a disappointment. Of course, that was also the culmination of a more extended feud. This was still really good though. I didn't mind Dandy taking the first fall quickly after he entered the ring in a fury. The second fall went a little longer as Satanico got himself into the match with his brawling, which looked great as always. But as Loss said, they didn't really wrestle this with blood hatred, opting for a more title-match approach to the third fall. These guys were masters of creative mat wrestling so that extended technical battle came off very well. Even as a mild letdown, this was a top five lucha match for 1991. -
I'm right there with you guys on the MVC frustration. They sucked the life out of the match every time they took control. It's a shame, because we know based on 4/18 that these teams had a really good match in them. The Hansen/Spivey vs. Jumbo/Taue from two nights later is also much better.
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That's an overly reductionist answer, Matt. Lesnar's whole aura is built around his size and the sense that he really could tear someone's head off. So I don't think it's crazy to suggest that a skinny guy like Punk has some work to do to come off as a serious threat to Brock. I'm not saying I can't buy the feud. But I think they'd be foolish to work it without acknowledging the real-world differences between Punk and Lesnar.
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I'm sure this isn't my favorite WCW match. I liked the work in the best tag matches from 1990 a bit better, and I might say the same about the Superbrawl match the following year with Windham in place of Steamboat. But as a total experience, from the way Steamboat was announced, to Arn's reaction, to the way they structured the match, it was just about perfect.
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[1991-11-23-WCW-Power Hour] Sting vs Cactus Jack (Submit or Surrender)
Childs replied to Loss's topic in November 1991
It's interesting that several people whose opinions I trust strongly prefer this to the Beach Blast match. It was an excellent match that probably featured a better build than the '92 version. But the other one had a kinetic quality, with every bit of action just clicking for me. I don't know; I'm glad they both exist. These guys are Top 5 opponents on one another's lists. -
I have liked, not loved, the lucha for most of 1991. But seeing Dandy back with Satanico just warmed my heart. I wish we had 50 matches between them on tape.
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This is one of the best examples I've seen of working to the draw without telegraphing it. I loved the spot where Misawa tried to win with the facelock, as he had on 9/4, only for Jumbo to counter by goring his eye. The match was a great summary of this rivalry, though I might have it No. 4 of their four matches since 9/30/90. Tough competition.
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Yeah, I mentioned the Tito matches from 1990, which were really good and featured Henning working more ruggedly. Maybe Tito encouraged that. We certainly know from the Valentine series that he was down for that kind of work. The Bret matches feel like his most famous WWF outings by a good stretch, and they're both very good. In addition to the stuff you mentioned, there are the Hogan matches, which I don't like. He had some matches with Ron Garvin in 1989 that you would think might have brought out some aggression but instead highlighted the weakness of his WWF offense.