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Couldn't agree more--the Steiners felt like ancient history. When was the last time they'd been treated as a big deal? Maybe 1993? Big Poppa Pump did end up as one of the more useful players in the post-peak NWO, so I guess it wasn't a total waste.
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Yeah, this was seemingly innocuous but actually another sign of how they were fucking away Bret's post-Montreal momentum. He should have spent exactly zero time dicking around with C-list NWOers.
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This made for an interesting contrast to the more famous Regal match, because Finlay, who was just as tough a guy, willingly set up Goldberg to look great. The Regal match was more memorable, but this was more professional. I agree with the Goldberg squash love. He wasn't some phony creation at all; he really had something, even if that something was limited.
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[1998-02-18-ARSION-Grand Opening] Yumi Fukawa vs Candy Okutsu
Childs replied to Loss's topic in February 1998
This was very good--maybe a little my-turn-your-turn in the last few minutes but nothing too bad. And the offensive execution throughout was tremendous.- 8 replies
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I think it's weird to "like" Vince. I can see appreciating Vince, respecting Vince, enjoying Vince, thinking Bret is a speck in Vince's elephantine legacy. But liking him? I don't get that.
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They have to do the Rocky III with Cena at some point, right? Maybe he doesn't win but at least show him trying to find himself in the wake of this unprecedented destruction.
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I loved the mocking Undertaker sit-up as well.
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Wow, that was basically a squash.
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It makes him look bad because they are supposed to be building him up as the next Superman. He just got out wrestled early on. There was no natural dominance from Reigns early with a natural transition that lead to Orton taking over. He just took over and made me fall asleep. I agree that the early part of the match was poorly laid out. I just feel like people are overreacting. This result shouldn't hurt Reigns. What might hurt him is an inability to work compelling 15-20-minute singles matches.
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I don't see how it made Reigns look bad. He's a barely established singles wrestler who just beat one of the company's longest standing stars clean on a big stage. The end of the match was pretty good, actually, especially Orton's powerslam counter to the spear.
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But they're evil McMahon babies. They're probably already scheming and working 20-hour days.
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So he actively defied a stip that he chose that lead to him losing . Kinda makes him a dumb babyface. His character is a lunatic. He lost it and went after everybody, thus mucking with the stip. Made perfect sense.
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Heels have owned this show.
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I didn't care at all about Jericho-Wyatt coming in, but the match was fine. Jericho's timing has come back a bit, and I kind of liked the spider walk counter to the lionsault. Also liked Bray going over strong.
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That was fun. I'd like to see them follow this with a longer match sans outside nonsense. But the outside nonsense mostly worked here, and they got the crowd going.
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I hope so. He's halfway to being a meaningful player, and it seems he might have the skills to hang at a high level.
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Good show so far. I've liked all three matches to one degree or another, with Rusev-Swagger the highlight. Even Brie's promo was good.
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I lean to Bret but without a ton of sympathy. I also don't believe for a second that Vince saw the whole future of the Mr. McMahon character when he did it, though he probably believed it would create a useful stir.
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Haven't gotten to the late February stuff yet, but I'm curious: At this point, do you feel Sting deserved to be trampled by politics and pushed aside? I know that was Hogan's POV, and I know it pissed me off as a fan at the time because we'd waited so long for the payoff of the Crow angle. But I have to say, with 16 years of perspective, I agree with the case against Sting more and more. As much as they undermined him with booking, he really didn't do shit to overcome that or change the narrative. You watch him side by side with someone like Austin and he was such an empty performer. I don't know, is that too harsh?
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[1998-02-02-WWF-Raw] Cactus Jack vs Chainsaw Charlie
Childs replied to Loss's topic in February 1998
The attention to detail throughout this show-long angle was quite good, with stuff like Flash Funk going after the Outlaws, Lawler refusing to express sympathy for his longtime rival Funk and DX acting as instigators. That set this apart from a lot of the pseudo-shooty shit we'd see in future years.The WWF had an impressive ability at this point to wrap all of its key players into one angle over the course of a show. We saw that often with the Hart Foundation/HBK/Austin stuff in 1997, and it continued here. They rarely pull that off now, even though the in-ring wrestling in 2014 is often better. -
What's the over/under on how many times we utter some variation of this line in 1998? I should add that I loved Nash in 1998 and thus was part of the problem.
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Hey, a good Raven match. I know it's verboten to dwell on it, but Chris Benoit was really fucking good. We haven't seen him in a ton of classics over the course of the decade, but he brought it night after night.
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[1998-01-24-WCW-Souled Out] Larry Zbyszko vs Scott Hall
Childs replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
I had forgotten this happened. What a strange, unnecessary choice. Agree with Chad that the commentary, with Heenan and Tony sniping at each other because they were so thrown off, was the best part.- 8 replies
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[1998-01-26-AJPW-New Year's Giant Series] Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama
Childs replied to Loss's topic in January 1998
I liked the opening of this a lot, with Jun showing he had strong answers for all of Misawa's C-level shit. The match sagged a bit in the middle, with a so-so control section by Jun and some spotty selling by Misawa. But they got back on track for the finish, setting up Jun's first big nearfall really well and hooking the crowd, even though there was no real question who was winning. Misawa's climactic counter elbows are always great and were here as well. He looked a little awkward on the Emerald Flowsion but nothing terrible. This felt like an appropriate match for where Jun stood in the pecking order. Certainly not a classic for the promotion but a solid Triple Crown match.- 12 replies
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