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Reading how Shane's plans to re-enact Vince's WM 3 opening at this year's show got nixed by Steph got me thinking: When Vince dies/gets too old to run things/retires and Steph takes over, how long before Shane says "fuck this bullshit" and starts his own company? Shane's vision of wrestling seems to run against the Vince/Steph view, how long can he put up with her in charge, especially since she seems to enjoy vetoing any and all ideas he comes up with?

I thought it was just basically Vince Sr. didn't like his act and never booked him.

Because a frightening amount of people who post on basically every other wrestling board but this one base their opinions on his rants. The bullshit he makes up ends up being accepted as fact by people who just assume he's an expert because he's reviewed like every US PPV of the last 20 years. These people tend to be the ones you end up bashing your head into a brick wall over because they fight you to the death and it's obvious they have no opinions of their own.

I could see how someone would say 90s AJ was overrated in the sense where some people just heap so much praise on it you almost want to hate it just to be contrarian. It does get tiresome to hear a segment of the online world constantly compare everything currently happen to 90s AJ, then bitch when the current stuff unsurprisingly fails to measure up. As far as Brody goes, it just annoys me how he's held up as a legend when he'd never do jobs despite not staying very long in a territory. Not saying that he should have lost to everyone, but it was kind of annoying how you'd almost always know his match would end in a wild double DQ schmozz.

One thing that bothers me that they want to push the WWE and World titles as equal yet MITB and Rumble winners will always end up going to RAW to face the champ unless it's someone like Taker where it doesn't matter which one he picks since it's not like he needs the rub. I know that the WWE title is the one with the history, but if just once they had a guy who was up and coming decide to chase the World Title it would at least kayfabe wise lend some credibility to the title. Right now Smackdown's like the ROH of WWE brands: better wrestling but people will leave in a heartbeat to win the WWE belt.

I don't think you realize the incredible and irrational hate boner Keith had for JBL during his title run. Long after even the most ardent critic had to admit that JBL came into his own as champ, Keith was still raging against the machine. All basically because he beat one of Scoot's favorites for the belt. Maybe this would make it clearer: he was madder that Eddie lost to JBL than the fact than he was concerned about the issuses that forced WWE to take the belt off him in the first place.

I dunno, I guess he's one of those guys no one can speak ill of because of his death, but the attempts to spin Brody as some star creating heat machine are hilarious. He'd pretty much never do jobs despite either winning a title or being booked with the territory's top star. Can anyone say "this guy became a star because of Bruiser Brody"? Hell, tales like the one about kicking babyfaces in the teeth "because they should know better" sounds like some shit Bob Holly would do today to some rookie and get crucified on the net over it.

Of the many things I've heard about Brody, "great worker" doesn't come up often. I mean he was as good as you can get in those wild and crazy brawls that were something to behold until ECW would do 5 a show, but that was pretty much it.

That might be the most "Vince" moment ever recorded on TV, if that makes sense at all.

I always wondered why putting up the Clash against WMIV caused so much anger, but Vince running PPV at the same time as Crockett and forcing PPV companies to choose didn't. I mean, wouldn't the PPV companies in theory make more money if people could order both shows instead of having to choose? Sure, WWF was the more established PPV name by then, but for most people wrestling is wrestling and all they knew was wrestling was hot at the time. I guess it's like the revisionist history we see on WWE DVDs now, where Vince crushing the competition is "just business" but anyone else trying to do it to them is unfair.

Yeah, but that's a World Class show, you'd expect almost everyone on the card to be dead. Also Battle of the Belts had Gordon Solie and Mike Graham, and I bet Gordon was wishing he was drunk for that. It does show that Graham's "hey let's turn everything into a discussion about ME" style wasn't just invented for WWE 24/7.

September 2, 1985--Battle of the Belts in Tampa, FL at The Sundome drawing 7,600: Hector & Chavo Guerrero b "The Crippler" Rip Oliver & The Grappler Cocoa Samoa b "Hustler" Rip Rogers Kendall Windham b Jack Hart (aka Barry Horrowitz) to win the Florida Title Rick Rude (Southern Champ) b Billy Jack Haynes to retain The Road Warriors (AWA Tag Champions) vs Harley Race & Stan Hansen was a DOUBLE COUNT OUT Nick Bockwinkel b Frankie Lane Ric Flair b Wahoo McDaniel to retain the NWA World title in a 2/3 Falls match in 45 minutes First off, this show was the day Hurricane Elena made landfall in Biloxi MS. It resulted in heavy thunderstorms in the Tampa area, which resulted in occaisional power outages during the show. It also changed one of the main events, as it was supposed to be Rick Martel defending the AWA World Title vs Nick Bockwinkel, but the hurricane had other plans so they ended up having to replace Martel with Frankie Lane who was pretty much a jobber. The fans who braved the storm booed the match out of the building since they were expecting a title match, and even Nick had a "lets get this over with" look on his face while the announcers were trying to salvage something of all this. The tag title match was not as good as it could have been since the Road Warriors didn't job at this point, and Hansen rarely jobbed in the US at this point, so it was only interesting in how they were going to get to the inevitable DQ or countout finish. Also, half the guys on the card (well pretty much everyone really except Flair of course) was half assing it since they obviously wanted to get the fuck out ASAP since the storm was getting to the point where thunderclaps were rattling the building.

So who all is actually watching this year's show?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoa'i_family Basically, it breaks down like this: The original 5 siblings are Afa, Sika, Junior, Tumua, and Vera Anoa'i. Their parents considered Peter Maivia a "blood brother" and the kids considered him an uncle, which is where the Rock and his dad come in. Afa's sons: Samu, Afa Jr. (who's in DSW now I believe), LA Smooth, and daughter Monica who married Gary Albright. Sika's sons: Rosey, Joe Anoa'i (who currently plays college football) Junior's son: Yokozuna Tumua's son: Black Pearl (wrestles in Rikishi's Italian fed) Vera's sons: Tama (from the Islanders), Rikishi, Umaga Apparently boxer David Tua is also related somehow, but I'm just happy to finally get the wrestling side cleared up.

Ironically, it appears that Bruno stopped aging around the time he left the WWF.

Bruno can still kick your ass in 2007 as well. Not bad for someone just past 71.

I'm wondering who else was involved, they mention 11 pro wrestlers and only 6 have been mentioned. It says some of the guys are out of the business or in indies (TNA maybe?), I wonder what else gets shaken out from this.

Some fun tidbits in the latest WON, basically WWE could probably still get Mistico if they wanted but too many people think it wouldn't be worth all the effort that would be required. Also, had WWE signed him, Stephanie wanted to repackage him without the name or mask because in her mind there's only room for one masked WWE Superstar (Rey). So basically, WWE decided not to go through a lot of hassle just to change everything about the guy that made him attract attention. I really don't get how this company makes money sometimes.

All I know is that after the famous pull apart on RAW (TYSON AND AUSTIN! TYSON AND AUSTIN!), they did a segment on the local news which I've never seen before or since in my 20+ years of watching wrestling. Say what you will, but Tyson was that one time they got the maximum mainstream pub they hoped to get from every celebrity who gets involved in wrestling.

Ever since the infamous Bob Holly match, the Rumble always has a "dude who has no chance in hell of winning the title" match to give the champ a boost into Wrestlemania. Of course by now most people KNOW that there's going to be a weak challenger at the Rumble, but whatever.

Looks like the deal's off. WWE is pissed Mistico waited to tell them till after the tryout that he's signed to a long deal with CMLL. Their legal team decided it wasn't worth the effort to get him out of it.

I'm thinking this deal's not going to happen if someone points out to Mistico the fact that if he leaves and CMLL has him drop the mask, his career's pretty much over if WWE ends up not using him/releasing him after a few months.

WWE 24/7 is showing Wrestlemania III: Super Hyper Championship Fighting Edition this month. That should get you back to a foam finger waving Hulkamanic in no time.