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Right and you could have just said this match didn't work for you. But you didn't say that, you went with the outlandish statement. You said it was one of the worst matches that you've ever watched & maybe the worst. That's a big statement on a forum full of nothing but reviews and discussions about wrestlers and matches.

That doesn't even make sense. So if guys go out & have an average match, that match is some how worse than a throwaway Kane match because you have lower expectations for Kane? Having lower expectations for him doesn't make his match any better... That's really reaching. You didn't like the match, cool. No one here would condemn you for it. Trying to say it was the worst match you've ever seen... I know it's the internet and all, but we don't have to be full of that much hyperbole to try to get a point across. I'm having Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons flashbacks.

I really envy your wrestling catalog of matches/shows you've seen then! Hell, did you watch all of this card? You thought that was the worst match on this card? Worse than anything WWE has done, including their Divas, or TNA or XPW? Throw away Ryback or Big Show matches on RAW or Smackdown? lol..

Sabu is one of the only people where when going back & re-watching ECW, I feel like his stuff holds up. It's like, Sabu, 2 Cold Scorpio & Tajiri. Throw in some Little Guido and an occasional Steve Corino or Mikey Whipwreck & the rest is mostly forgettable. As others have mentioned, Sabu just has an aura about him. His stuff is always fun. You don't know if it's going to be a trainwreck or not but you want to watch it to find out. He just has that intangible about him where you want to watch him. I sort of agree & kind of disagree about the point where the botches don't hurt his matches. I can see both sides of that one. Blown spots sort of fit in with his breakneck, ruthless match style. Where he's crazy & he'll try anything, regardless of the consequences or repercussions that it may bring. But on the other side of the pillow, sometimes it just looks like he messed-up & takes me out of a match. It's a fine line. Definitely unique for him in that regard though. Anyone else & I would instantly be out of the match, more than likely. So since it doesn't guarantee that I feel that way when it happens to Sabu, I guess it's a net positive. That being said though, Sabu puts himself into a lot more situations where something could go wrong than most wrestlers do. There's not exactly a lot of people trying to do triple jump moonsaults. One time Tommy Dreamer was verbally putting over Sabu, talking about his greatness & how he was under appreciated & the folks should feel honored that they got to see Sabu. At the time, I rolled my eyes. I grew up watching guys like André the Giant & I did feel honored being able to see him & was bummed that I never got to meet him in person. Now though, I can sort of see what Tommy was talking about. Sabu is an original. We've seen the Sheik gimmick before, of course, but what Sabu brings to the table - he really was innovative. Sabu is going to be at the very bottom end of my list. Also, random fun fact: in high school I wore a lot of pro-wrestling shirts. I don't remember them all, but I know that in the rotation were three ECW shirts. Two of which were just ECW logo brand t-shirts. The third was a Sabu shirt. A shirt that I had to turn inside out once because a teacher was upset that it said "homicidal, suicidal & genocidal" on it.

Jesus Christ, no way on God's green is that opener 4-star. Maybe 2. MAYBE. Super spotty. Super sloppy. Full of a ton of bullshit stalling, contrived spots, people standing around waiting for the next person to get their shit in, all the "comedy" shit with the suck it chants & crotch-chops & shit. That match was horrible. Pretty much everything that I hate about professional wrestling was on display in that match. Everyone needs to watch the last three matches on this card though. Awesome, super fun stuff. fwiw the opener featured 8 of my favorite wrestlers on the planet and it's EXACTLY what I wanted from the match. I wanted a spotty mess - that's what those teams are good at. Not saying that's all that they are capable of, as Matt Sydal has proven to be one of the best and most versatile wrestlers on the planet, but in this instance, the match is exactly what it should've been. I loved it, but I also love spots and moves and fun. That's cool. I'm not dumping on your for your opinion. Re-reading what I said, it sounds a lot more hostile than I intended it to be. So I apologize for that. I wasn't a fan of it but if others were, more power to them. My favorite thing about the last three matches is how each one felt so different from the one before it. WWE talks a lot about being a "circus" where if you don't like the trapeze artists, you may like the clowns or lion tamers (or whatever their analogy is) but in NJPW, it actually feels like the matches are very different from one another. I like that. Not just because it allows the matches to stand out from one another but because you get to see what different fans enjoy from pro-wrestling. Following Wrestle Kingdom this year, reading what people are saying about the final three matches, it's really cool to see how people differ in their tastes, likes & dislikes. I'm curious to see what Dave Meltzer rates each of the three. Shibata/Ishii made me literally jump to my feet at one point, when Shibata hit that jumping Dragon Kick. That was a holy shit moment for me. I've not had a reaction like that from wrestling in a long time. Nakamura/Styles was a good match but right now, I feel like it was my least favorite of the three... which seems to be the opposite of what I'm reading from others. There were some great sequences in that match though. I really liked the Spinning-backfist into the jumping arm bar into the one-armed Styles Clash. That was gross! Not saying anything about Tanahashi/Okada until I watch it again. I want to read more of what others say about it too. This match is going to be polarizing, I think.

Jesus Christ, no way on God's green is that opener 4-star. Maybe 2. MAYBE. Super spotty. Super sloppy. Full of a ton of bullshit stalling, contrived spots, people standing around waiting for the next person to get their shit in, all the "comedy" shit with the suck it chants & crotch-chops & shit. That match was horrible. Pretty much everything that I hate about professional wrestling was on display in that match. Everyone needs to watch the last three matches on this card though. Awesome, super fun stuff.

Agreed. Although admittedly, I am tired of the Tanahashi/Okada feud, the matches are always good, so it's hard to hate on it.

I certainly think that it made the fight not as big of a deal as it could have been, although it certainly still made ridiculous bank. I don't know what the biggest possible match WWE could make nowadays is but I know it doesn't involve The Undertaker. The biggest possible match for The Undertaker, at this point, might be John Cena, but like Will said, I just don't think it matters. Brock Vs. Daniel Bryan Brock Vs. Roman II Roman Vs. John Cena I think those are the top three matches WWE could realistically do that I would be interested in & I doubt WWE would ever consider Bryan Vs. Brock.

Damn, Jordan & Gable aren't even an option for the Tag Team of the Year category. Guess I'm not voting on that one!

I can't stand when Sami talks. But to each their own. This could be fun!

Finn Bàlor could work on the main roster, I think. Out of The Demon gimmick, he should be a cocky, brash babyface that dresses in suits & backs up his mouth with results in the ring. The Demon should only be used when his back is against the wall & he needs something to "even the odds" so to speak. WWE should really play it up like it's damn near two different people too. Like The Demon persona should do different things, have a different finish, be more reckless & breakneck & hard to topple. Sami Zayn is a good worker but I feel like that's all he is. That might be enough. If Daniel Bryan comes back though, what does Zayn bring to the table that's any different or better? Not that I would be against having more good workers on the main roster but I can't foresee a WWE main event picture that's chalk full of guys like Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Daniel Bryan & Finn Bàlor, although that would give us some pretty good matches. I don't know, I have a tough time picture WWE of the future being ROH of the past, but I guess it's possible. We've had main events of C.M. Punk Vs. Daniel Bryan before. Bayley I just feel bad for. I don't think she's going to work on the main roster. It's not her fault, Becky & Sasha aren't really working on the main roster either... and they're all tremendously talented. When I heard Bayley say on Breaking Ground that one day she is going to main event Wrestlemania, I just felt bad. That's never going to happen. I think Samoa Joe would work on the main roster more than most of them, honestly. He's a decent promo & he can get over by just being a Samoan ass-kicker that chokes people out. He needs new gear badly though.

You gotta give the crowd a reason to care about a match before giving them the match. This is a match on Raw in 2015 we're talking about right? Yes. It's a problem with the entire show & has been for a long time. They also chanted "this is boring" during yet another 6-man match on RAW. When the show starts & you don't already know what to expect on the show, that's a problem. This last RAW, in example, told us that next week we're getting Roman Vs. Sheamus with Vince at the ref. People know what the main event is before they turn the show on. That's the first time we've had that in quite some time. The format really hinders the show and is part of the reason why everything is so boring. You turn it on, get a 20-minute promo telling you what the main event is and everything in between is just filler. Why are the fans going to care about that? It's not just about the women. I really like Sasha & Becky but WWE isn't exactly putting them in a situation to have success. If the match was a lot better maybe they could have gotten the crowd more involved but before the bell even rang, a lot of them seemingly tuned out. Hell, I'd argue half the PPVs in the calendar year don't even matter. WWE used to feel like you couldn't miss a show. That anything could happen. That if you missed a week you would be out of the loop & struggle to catch back up, or might miss some great moment. Now you can miss three months, read a paragraph about what happened & not feel like you missed anything.

This is WAY overthinking it. The crowd chanted "this is boring" because it was fucking boring. The match was too long, was sloppy & didn't really mean anything. The crowd is not invested in those character. You gotta give the crowd a reason to care about a match before giving them the match.

Thanks for the heads-up. I could have sworn they were all nominated already as I only wrote down names that had been nominated from the Index thread. Or so I thought. Must have been an oversight somewhere on my end. I know I've talked about them already though, and the Jacques thread is there.

The Barbarian Microscope thread: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20772-the-barbarian/?hl=barbarian http://http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/11455-ric-flair-arn-anderson-chris-benoit-steve-mcmichael-vs-kevin-sullivan-big-bubba-rogers-meng-barbarian-wcw-monday-nitro-090296/?hl=barbarian http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20017-eddy-guerrero-chris-jericho-vs-meng-barbarian/?hl=barbarian http://http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/13968-dustin-rhodes-vs-the-barbarian-wcw-saturday-night-111492/?hl=barbarian http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/11276-sting-lex-luger-vs-meng-barbarian-wcw-monday-nitro-052096/?hl=barbarian http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18379-the-rockers-vs-haku-barbarian-wwf-wrestlemania-vii-032491/?hl=barbarian

Scott "Flash" Norton http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18933-keiji-muto-hiroshi-hase-vs-shinya-hashimoto-scott-norton-njpw-battle-final-121691/?hl=%2Bscott+%2Bnorton http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18851-keiji-muto-hiroshi-hase-vs-rick-steiner-scott-norton-njpw-3-days-battle-110591/?hl=%2Bscott+%2Bnorton http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/12212-sting-vs-scott-norton-njpw-fukuoka-dome-050393/?hl=%2Bscott+%2Bnorton http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/13461-keiji-muto-hiroshi-hase-vs-scott-norton-brad-armstrong-njpw-fighting-spirit-021092/?hl=%2Bscott+%2Bnorton Akeem // The One Man Gang http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/28017-sabu-vs-one-man-gang-ecw-012399/?hl=%2Bone+%2Bman+%2Bgang http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18594-sting-lex-luger-yellow-dog-el-gigante-vs-barry-windham-nikita-koloff-one-man-gang-kevin-sullivan-wcw-meadowlands-070391-war-games/?hl=%2Bone+%2Bman+%2Bgang http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32573-hacksaw-duggansteve-williams-vs-one-man-gangking-kong-bundy-92383/?hl=%2Bone+%2Bman+%2Bgang Gotta include this paragraph from Floyd's Cabana too because it always cracks me up: http://floydscabana.blogspot.com/2008/02/dvdvr-mid-southuwf-matches-of-80s-disk.html

"Superfly" Jimmy Snuka http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32600-roddy-piper-jimmy-snuka-vs-ric-flair-dewey-robertson-maple-leaf-wrestling-5481/?hl=%2Bjimmy+%2Bsnuka http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32333-rowdy-roddy-piper-vs-jimmy-superfly-snuka-wwf-meadowlands-71584/?hl=%2Bjimmy+%2Bsnuka http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/12529-terry-funk-jt-smith-abdullah-the-butcher-vs-kevin-sullivan-don-muraco-jimmy-snuka-ecw-tv-101293/?hl=%2Bjimmy+%2Bsnuka http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/31617-bob-backlund-vs-jimmy-snuka-wwf-msg-062882-cage-match/?hl=%2Bjimmy+%2Bsnuka

Looking over my obvious work-in-progress list, I'm not sure if a single name in my Top 30 will I be the high vote on. Some of the names on the bottom half of my list though, maybe? It depends on how people rate those people or if they include them at all. Potential high votes: • The Big Bossman • Jacques Rougeau (I imagine he won't make most lists) • One Man Gang • Scott Norton • Yokozuna • Haku/Meng

So, is John Cena going to win the Royal Rumble & challenge Roman Reigns for the WWE Title as the main event at Wrestlemania? The post-match off camera showed a stare down between Reigns & Cena. Potentially testing the crowd reaction? I'm not in love with the idea of Cena winning another Rumble but Cena/Reigns has interest to me. A lot of ways that could go. I would be OK with Reigns/Brock 2 as well. Rock/HHH & Rock/Brock neither interest me though. Not a single opponent for Undertaker that I can imagine caring about either.

all that pre-match hype just got me super sold on this match!

That second hour was brutal.

Good backstage promo from Becky. Short & to the point but felt natural & not too terribly forced. EDIT: Sadly, the match felt off. They had plenty of time, there was just too much stalling, walking around & not doing anything. And some of the stuff they did do, looked really sloppy. I think there was communication issues a couple of times as well. I still love both Becky & Sasha but this match didn't do much for me.

That was a weird opening. It didn't make much, seemed really forced. But at least it was interesting!

I don't know how you can say its bullshit when its true. Simple: I don't think it's true. I think it's something that people on the internet say when they don't like a wrestler 'cause they don't wanna look like a mark. I don't like Dolph Ziggler, that doesn't mean he has go away heat. It means I don't like Dolph Ziggler. I'm not trying to put my disinterest for him as the majority opinion & start speaking for everyone else.

Honestly, The Miz feels like a dude that is pretty well rounded. He's a good talker, he's gotten a lot better in-ring, he has heat... he was even good on commentary. I don't have any problems with him & wouldn't mind if they wanted to try him as a top heel again. He seems to put in more effort than Del Rio anyway. I'll always be one of those people that thinks that "go away heat" or "X-Pac heat" or "change the channel heat" or "the wrong kind of heat" or whatever the fuck anyone wants to call it is bullshit. Heat is heat. Especially in this day and age of everyone breaking kayfabe and playing cool/funny heels or shades of gray tweeners that wanna move more merch & not look like bad guys on social media. The biggest babyfaces in the company get booed out of the building. The biggest heels WWE have get cheered & do a lot of crowd-cheering spots (like Seth Rollins). Ain't no one in the damn company got the "right kind" of heat.