JerryvonKramer

On Valentine's influences, did he ever work with Johnny Valentine, because watching that Jack Brisco match the other night, I felt like I was watching a Greg Valentine match. So many of Valentine's mannerisms are basically exactly like Greg's. The deadpan face. His basic body shape. It was my immediate thought watching it that Greg got his entire act from Johnny.

The answer about the book is "yes and no". The bits by Rage, who handles a lot of the profiles, are all in that mode. Arnold Furious is much like he is in his 411 reviews (I've always liked him, myself). Of the four other writers, only one is really like that, but he's REALLY like that. The problem is, that dude (who goes by "Evil Ste") and Rage handle the majority of the little insert profiles (about 2 thirds). To give you an idea, Ste starts his Backlund profile as follows: "The mere thought of writing a few hundred words about Backlund, is a tiresome prospect". Backlund's title reign gets three lines and most of them talk about him being "bland" and "dull", a guy who "somehow managed a near six-year reign". By comparison, his 92-94 run gets 11 lines and seems to revel in the Diesel squash. -------------- I'm at the stage where I'm thinking that the profiles by those two are an active determent to the book. It's got nice art, it's well presented, it's well structured, it's comprehensive, some of the reviews are pretty good, so I don't really understand why they had to go and undermine it all with these horrible, basically ignorant little profiles. Rage doesn't do any reviews, but Ste does an odd sort of double act with a chap called James Dixon and they write the review in dialogue form. Dixon plays the straight man giving information and mild critique, Ste the uber-smark. I'm not totally adverse to a bit of smarkiness. I mean shit, people have said that I'm smarky on the podcast, but when you're just spouting lazy opinions like calling Backlund dull and his entire reign basically a waste of time it goes beyond that into the realms of idiocy. If this is enough to stop you buying the book, then fine you can make your own mind up, but there really is some decent stuff in there. I suppose that's what you get when five different people write a book. If nothing else though, it's worth having as a nice record of what's on all those VHS tapes.

I also don't want to derail the thread, because I really want to unpack that and see what people disagree with as a means of better understanding what people think about Valentine, will answer in another thread.

This reminds me, I wanted to share a passage with you guys from that WWF Colesium book I got for Xmas, partly because it reminded me of this thread and partly to see what people make of it. This is by Bernard Rage: Thoughts?

That's literally the exact opposite of how relativism works. Relativism holds that are no absolute truths. "X is untenable" is an absolute truth, and has no place in relativism. Except I wasn't stating it as an absolute truth but as an opinion, which you being a relativist can't say is untenable, and so on and so forth ad infinitum ad nauseum. This is also why I hold no truck with relativism. However, I missed something crucial in rzombie's post: My bad. Apologies for not seeing that.

Whichever way they got there, that finish to the Luger match at Starrcade remains one of my favourite finishes. And certainly the best non-clean finish we've seen on this shows for the podcast. I like the finish to Flair-Steamboat at Chi-Town too.

I just watched a random match on youtube from 1990 which had Tugboat taking on this version of Rose. Buddy is so big that he pretty much looks like he's the same size as Tugboat, if not bigger. It did make me think though: why was Rose lumbered with this gimmick at the same time as they were pushing Tugboat? Couldn't Rose be repackaged as a legit fat man wrestler? I also watched a random Bossman vs. Rose match from 90 as well, it has a DiBiase promo all the way through it as Rose is jobbed out. There wasn't a single Rose jobber match that made the set?

If someone is allowed the opinion that they prefer Demolition to Arn and Tully, I am allowed the opinion that that point of view is untenable -- that is how relativism works. (Few people dislike Demoliton more than I do).

I can't actually understand anyone who can rate Demolition over Arn and Tully. Just writing that sentence almost made my blood congeal, like my hands didn't want to do it.

Ha ha, Rick Rude on the front cover.

We genuinely talked about Meltzer being on the show for about 3-4 mins before we started recording, funny how none of us thought to mention it again. There was a lot of technical difficulty during the recording of this show and it kind of threw us a little bit because we had to keep stopping and starting. Do you think George Scott was reading the Observers in 1989? I kind of feel with Scott that it's one step forward, two steps back. Yes, a lot of Dusty's bullshit is gone, but in its place we've now got this oldschool obsession with armwork, weird dated-feeling finishes on the undercard (I'm going to call them "George Scott finishes"), Hiro Matsuda, and Steamboat booked and marketed pretty much as a 70s babyface. I know Scott's stint didn't last long in 89 but I can't say it's felt like a total success. I feel these recent cards have been "almost but not quite". The TV title finish sort of made sense because Steiner is meant to be an idiot, but I'd have liked the Luger-Windham match a lot more if that finish hadn't been so strange and so soon after the TV title finish. Like I said on the show, I have no idea what it's meant to be achieving. You make Luger look weak or lucky which isn't getting his title reign off to a great start and Windham, the heel, can legitimately say he had Luger beat. Just goes against all booking logic. @ shoe - re: Scott Keith, I am admittedly a bit ambivalent about asking him on given what I've said about him on here and on the show itself. We have guests lined up until Wrestlewar 90 now, but y'know "never say never". If Chad went and asked Keith to come on the show and he said yes, I wouldn't say no. But I'm not going to seek him out or anything

I absolutely hated the guy but did Todd Pettengil ever call any matches? For that matter did Raymond Rougeau? It was like those two replaced Mooney and Hayes but without taking over the commentary half of their roles.

This thread has been taken over by the GWE project in 2014. The journey starts here.

Go 10 years Dylan. Also: Dory Funk Jr and Jack Brisco have to be in the 25. Surely, they have to be.

So Monsoon / Polo effectively replaced Mooney / Hayes on the VHS releases? For whatever reason my arbitrary cut off point for collecting videos was Survivor Series 94. I have virtually everything before that but very little beyond it. It's made me kind of curious now but my days of blowing £100s on ebay are over.

Think OJ needs to be commended for his work here.

If Vince and Flair are the most obvious candidates, the next in line would probably be Jack Victory.

Every so often in the big two companies, you'd get these autonomous little C-team units that you got the impression that no one really had their eye on. One example is Jimmy Hart running WCW Saturday Night. Another is some of Gorilla Monsoon's C-show appearances in the mid-90s when he's calling matches with Michael Hayes. Another is basically any time you get guys re-dubbing shows for local markets, Scott Hudson and Larry Zbyszko on Worldwide for the UK standing out in my mind. However, unsurprisingly, my all-time favourite C-team consists of Sean Mooney and Lord Alfred Hayes either buried down on Wrestling Challenge or on countless Coliseum Home Video releases. I always got the impression that basically no one in the WWF management was watching what those two were doing or saying, as if Vince literally didn't give a shit what was going out on some of those VHS tapes. What was most awesome is that Hayes was so completely out of touch with what was going on -- which I think is exacerbated by the fact that little if any of the commentary was done live, it's all done after the fact. Hayes was kind of a heel, but not really. He had a habit of just totally burying guys: pointing out that they'd put on weight, criticising the way they'd go for a pin and so on. That is quite amusing in itself, but then you've got Mooney next to him playing this straight-laced newscaster from a 1950s B-movie complete with all of the cheesy cornball lines you'd expect from such a character, and not knowing any moves at all. On most of the tapes, they'd also do these ridiculous skits, Mooney in army gear with bombs going off behind him, Mooney and Hayes on the fakest looking London set you've ever seen pretending they are in the UK, ! This stuff reaches its peak around 92 and early 93. By that stage Mooney was on his way out and Hayes was beyond giving a shit; I want to say he was more or less replaced by Raymond Rougeau around that time. So I'm saying that Mooney and Hayes are the all-time greatest C-team. Who else is there?

Thanks again to Matt Peddycord for this. If you've never read his reviews, he's certainly done a lot of them over the years: http://pdrwrestling.net/ Where the Big Boys Play #33 – Chi-Town Rumble 89 Chad and Parv welcome WCW PPV reviewer extraordinaire Matt Peddycord to take a look at the Chi-Town Rumble. In this show: assessing the influence of Scott Keith, Greensboro vs. Atlanta as the heart of JCP/WCW, Mike Rotunda: Greatest TV champ ever (up till 89)?, Barry Windham: Greatest US champ ever (up till 89)?, Jack Victory: the amazing utility man, George Scott’s love of armwork and weird finishes, Chad and Parv disagree on Steiner vs. Rotunda, and in-depth analysis of the first match in the ‘holy trinity’.

Nevermind The Randy Rose Story Sticky Fingers The Best of X-Pac and Chyna Master of Puppets Highlights of Paul Ellering in the WWF Deja Vu Every single Hogan match that finished in the big boot and the legdrop. Low A compilation of every single low blow Ric Flair delivered in the 00s. Ready to Die Von Erichs comp. Parallel Lines Marty Jannetty comp. The Who Sell Out Sold out shows featuring Jim Neidhart as Who American Idiot Best of Rick Steiner Born to Run 2 hours of The Ultimate Warrior running to the ring and shaking the ropes. Paid in Full Complete history of no shows on major cards

Try doing the same thing in 1988.

This was really good and, basically, exactly the show I want to be listening to. I am very pleased about the announcement at the end there too, but just saying, just saying, I called it back in November 2011: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=5489006 And then got it spot on in May last year: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?s=&a...t&p=5504566

Dusty in Memphis 10 discs of Dusty Rhodes matches that took place in Memphis. Hunky Dory 137 Dory Funk Jr matches. Abbey Road Matches featuring Abdullah the Butcher against opponents who use the "King's Road" style. Blonde on Blonde The best matches of only blonde wrestlers facing each other.