NintendoLogic

Figure skating isn't a sport.

The highspots today are more impressive than they were in the 80s, but everything else is much, much worse. Dolph Ziggler would have been an opening match job guy in JCP.

I was glad to see Bix make the case for Mark Lewin in the latest F4W. I don't see how anyone can vote for Curtis Iaukea and not him.

The Brisco match on 8/28/76 is probably the best 70s Jumbo match. And yeah, if you like Jumbo on the AWA set, his work in the Misawa feud is in the same vein. I don't know if he learned how to be a heel in the AWA or if he was just a natural dickhead and didn't get a chance to express it until then.

Definitely looking more interesting. https://twitter.com/WWE/status/512976420247961600 Dave on the F4W board:

Regardless of its provenance, it's an argument that appears all the time on this board.

I know quite a few people here subscribe to the WON and have access to the F4W board. Would it be worthwhile to solicit participants there?

It's one thing to make an evidence-based argument that goes against conventional wisdom. It's another thing entirely to act as if one's views are objectively correct and the only possible reasons for disagreement are ignorance or bad faith. This board is great for the former, but it can also lapse into the latter, like with the "WON HOF voters were blinded by Angle's medals" argument.

I'd rate Misawa as ace above Jumbo as ace because the sheer volume of classic matches can't be denied. But it should be noted that Misawa had much better opponents. Jumbo wasn't working with Kawada/Kobashi-caliber talent on a regular basis. There was Tenryu, and their feud was awesome, but it was also relatively brief. There was also Hansen, but Jumbo never really clicked with him. Then again, neither did Misawa. It should also be noted that it was Jumbo's work in the late 80s that set the table for what Misawa and company were doing in the 90s. Misawa didn't really do anything during his Tiger Mask run that screamed "future GOAT contender."

I really think she's the unsung heroine of 90s joshi. To be honest, I enjoy more non-Hokuto Kanori matches than I do non-Kandori Hokuto matches.

I have Abdullah below Brody.

I guess I spoke too soon, because those last two matches saved the show. Atlantis/Guerrero felt like a MOTYC. The tag title match wasn't quite on that level, but at least it didn't make me feel like I was watching a video game like all the matches before it did.

I'm watching the CMLL 81st Anniversary show, and I'm finding it a chore to get through. It seems like everyone in Mexico these days wrestles like a late 90s New Japan junior. Well, except Thunder.

Yeah, Suzuki's resume of great pro-style matches is pretty thin, which is why I found it laughable when people were falling over themselves to give him all the credit for the Tanahashi match.

I haven't noticed any appreciable change in how tag matches are worked in WWE, only in the quality of the wrestlers participating in them.

Team Hell No may have been great from a character standpoint, but it was still a bit disappointing to see Bryan dragged down by Kane and handcuffed by the WWE tag match formula. (Incidentally, Kane is my Exhibit A for why tag wrestling is easier than singles wrestling and warrants less consideration on lists like this.) I maintain that his best WWE match was his 2/3 falls match with Sheamus.

I like Memphis and brawls just fine. But that deathmatch/garbage shit can go fuck itself.

Baba/Robinson is probably both guys' best match. The epitome of thinking man's wrestling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfRs2GpPPRg

Those all sound far too barbaric to be entertaining.

I must be in Quahog, 'cause all I see is a bunch of hicks!

For what it's worth, the Undertaker match at NWO 2006 created the template for the Undertaker Wrestlemania Epic.

He's also responsible for the best singles match of Johnny Ace's career. I'd conservatively put him in my top 25, with top 20 a strong possibility.

A while back, I came across a Murdoch match I really liked. It's a brawl between him and Ted DiBiase from Houston. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ew2WwJkF0c He has a strong chance of placing highly on my list if I see more of him punching dudes in the mouth as opposed to sitting in a short arm scissors for 20 minutes.

Superstar Billy Graham seems to me to be the more obvious comparison.

The Austin Summerslam match is one of my favorite matches of all time, but it should be noted that it's not a Kurt Angle workrate match at all. It's a brawl with Angle spending most of the match bleeding and selling. There are a few Kurt Angle moments, but they're incidental.