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Also, the neck of every single Mexican is made of tissue paper.
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Speaking of Kawada, his right leg has been a weak spot for nearly 20 years.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
21 times in 1998, which is a pretty decent number given (i) no matches in January, and (ii) no matches after 12/7. In fact, just one match until 3/2 and just one match after 11/16. 18 matches in between those two dates. 19 times in 1999. Just once in Feb, and was done in the first week of November due to the injury. Not a massive impact of SmackDown on that number as it only was just starting when he went out. I would be surprised if any "anchor" wrestler in the WWF had wrestled on TV 20 times in a year prior to 1998. That's setting aside stuff that aired on MSG/Spectrum/NESN/Z Channel, and just counting stuff like the syndication, USA Network, SNME and The Main Event. Doubt Shawn worked that much on TV in 1996, Nash in 1995, Shawn or Bret in 1997, Bret in 1993-94, Hogan in 1991, Warrior in 1990, Hogan in 1989, Savage in 1988, Hogan in 1984-88, etc. I think we could say Austin was there at the change. John I had him at 19 matches in 1998 and 17 in 1999. Regardless, that's 40 TV matches combined over two years. I guarantee you Cena had more than that in 2011 alone. -
A thread in which Dylan compares various wrestlers to HHH
NintendoLogic replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
I really like his Three Stages of Hell match with Austin. The first fall alone is probably the best sub-15 minute match in WWE history. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Austin didn't wrestle on TV very often in 1998 and 1999. It didn't seem to hurt ratings too much. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Or maybe they want to create the next Hornswoggle by having a sentient fart cloud be Nattie's companion like in that one Ren & Stimpy episode and interfere in her matches. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
That's the thing, though. Why not have squash matches? Why do David Otunga and Heath Slater need control segments when they're up against Sheamus? And for that matter, why does everybody need to have a match every week? I don't see the point of paying to see Randy Orton vs. Cody Rhodes on PPV when they've already had three matches on Smackdown beforehand and will have three more afterward. -
A thread in which Dylan compares various wrestlers to HHH
NintendoLogic replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
I don't know that Nash has shown competence at anything other than defrauding money marks. Again, the biggest problem I have with HHH is that his reach so frequently exceeds his grasp. He's a good promo, but not when he's droning on for 20 minutes. He's a good worker, but not in the masturbatory epics he's so fond of. As strange as it may seem, I think the closest analogue is Vince Russo. There's good stuff there, but he needs an editor. -
A thread in which Dylan compares various wrestlers to HHH
NintendoLogic replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
All the other stuff is at least arguable, but come on. HHH may have no grasp of his limitations, but he's a fundamentally competent worker. About the nicest thing you can say about Nash from an in-ring standpoint is that he was carryable. -
Bill Alfonso as the ref in the Bret vs. Doink/Lawler Summerslam match. Didn't he also ref the Flair/Windham Battle of the Belts match? That reminds me, is there any particular reason they changed Kane's nickname from The Big Red Machine to The Big Red Monster?
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Doug Furnas died. Maybe. -
A thread in which Dylan compares various wrestlers to HHH
NintendoLogic replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
What? Say what you want about 2000s HHH, but 90s HHH was working the same garbagey brawls as everyone else. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
So the WWE released its 10-K for 2011, which includes their booking agreement with Paul Levesque. While looking it over, I found the following tidbit: Even the son-in-law's contract has the death clause. That's pretty cold. -
[1992-01-05-UWA] El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in January 1992
The best matwork I've seen in a lucha match is probably El Dandy vs. Javier Llanes from 3/11/94. It struck me as more like something out of World of Sport than a typical lucha match. But even then, WoS style is something I find easier to appreciate than enjoy.- 33 replies
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This must be one of those "read between the lines" deals.
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[1992-01-05-UWA] El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas
NintendoLogic replied to Loss's topic in January 1992
I'm in the same boat as Jerry when it comes to lucha matwork. I'm not really a fan of matwork for its own sake, but I can get into old-school NWA-style matwork. Lucha matwork, on the other hand, strikes me as too choreographed. The submissions in particular are so goofy and convoluted as to eradicate my suspension of disbelief. I generally enjoy brawling lucha (or more broadly, apuesta match-style lucha), but title match-style lucha does nothing for me.- 33 replies
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WWE Network finally happening
NintendoLogic replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Megathread archive
My understanding is that he went off the deep end after his daughter was murdered. Anyway, Dave has said that the WWE wants the Legends House to be a "feel good train wreck," which would seem to preclude Sheik's participation. EDIT: It's a moot point, though, since Sheik has been disconfirmed. -
The Wrestlemania 29 Early Spring NY Weather Disaster Prediction Thread
NintendoLogic replied to Bix's topic in Pro Wrestling
The 93,173 figure came about because the WWF wanted to set an indoor attendance record and no indoor stadiums at the time had anything close to that kind of capacity. The current record is 108,713 for the 2010 NBA All-Star Game. There's no way the WWE could credibly claim a significantly larger figure than that. -
The Wrestlemania 29 Early Spring NY Weather Disaster Prediction Thread
NintendoLogic replied to Bix's topic in Pro Wrestling
That was a reference to the rain at WM24. The forecasts called for thunderstorms, so it could have been a lot worse. -
So is it generally accepted that when Cena complains about Rock in the media, he's just being a Vince mouthpiece and isn't really expressing his own views?
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The Wrestlemania 29 Early Spring NY Weather Disaster Prediction Thread
NintendoLogic replied to Bix's topic in Pro Wrestling
What was this in relation to? Someone broached the idea of having WM at Yankee Stadium. -
The Complete & Accurate ***** Match List
NintendoLogic replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Jushin Thunder Liger and Minoru Tanaka vs. Tsuyoshi Kikuchi and Yoshinobu Kanemaru NJPW August 29, 2002 I couldn't pick Tanaka or Kanemaru out of a police lineup, but I recognize Kikuchi by his Rising Sun tights. Liger, of course, is easily recognizable. The story going in is that Kikuchi and Kanemaru are invaders from NOAH going after the IWGP junior tag belts. Strangely, Liger and Tanaka are the heels in this match. Team NOAH jumps Team NJPW before the bell, and the brawling spills outside. Back in the ring, Kikuchi and Tanaka exchange strikes. Some grappling leads to Kikuchi applying a keylock, and Kanemaru runs interference to prevent Liger from breaking it up. Liger eventually breaks through and starts stomping, but Kikuchi keeps the hold on, and Kanemaru soon comes to occupy Liger's attention. Kikuchi then releases the hold of his own accord and goes to a figure-four headscissors, which Liger breaks by bodyslamming Kanemaru onto Kikuchi repeatedly. That was awesome. Kanemaru tags in, puts Tanaka in the tree of woe, and baseball slides into his head. He then takes him outside to slam him into the apron and choke him against the guardrail. After rolling Tanaka back into the ring, he goes for the pin with his feet on the ropes, but it only gets two. Kikuchi tags in and does two rolling vertical suplexes (Two Amigos?) and a side slam, pausing in the middle of the latter to jaw-jack with Liger. Team NOAH with a double clothesline. Kikuchi knocks Liger off the apron, and Kanemaru hits a frog splash, which gets two. He applies a camel clutch for a while and then tags in Kikuchi, who gets into it with Liger some more. Tanaka comes back to life with a snap suplex and goes for a jujigatame, which Kikuchi reverses for a pin attempt by using the ref as leverage. That was pretty cool. Team NJPW tries to go for a double-team, but Kanemaru comes in and cleans house. Kikuchi then goes for a rollup, but Tanaka reverses into another jujigatame. Kikuchi makes the ropes, but Tanaka takes his sweet time to release the hold. Liger tags in, and he's plenty eager to get his hands on Kikuchi. He starts by taking him outside, pulling back the protective mat, and powerbombing him on the exposed concrete. Tanaka joins in on the fun by slamming Kikuchi's head into the ring post. Liger puts Kikuchi in a camel clutch while Tanaka whips Kanemaru into the guardrail. Tanaka then tags in and puts Kikuchi in a half crab. Some more double-teaming from Team NJPW, and Tanaka goes for a Jericho-style cocky pin. Liger tags back in and hits a piledriver. Kikuchi kicks out, so Liger starts stomping the hell out of him. Tanaka comes in and goes back to the jujigatame. Kikuchi tries to roll out, but Liger rolls him back onto his back. Nice. Kikuchi does make the ropes, but Tanaka refuses to break, so the ref has to pull him off. Liger tags back in and whips Kikuchi into the corner. He then goes for a palm strike, but Kikuchi blocks it and fights back with some elbows. He finally makes the tag to Kanemaru, who hits a lionsault for two. He then misses a moonsault, and Liger tags in Tanaka, who puts on an ankle lock. Kikuchi breaks it up, so Tanaka just bitch-slaps him. Kanemaru and Tanaka do some flippy-doo exchanges, and Liger breaks up a pin attempt after Kanemaru hits an elevated DDT. Liger and Kikuchi brawl outside as Kanemaru hits a moonsault for two. Kikuchi holds Liger back as Kanemaru goes for a brainbuster. Tanaka reverses into a jujigatame, and now it's Liger that's holding Kikuchi back. Kanemaru makes the ropes and goes for a German, but Tanaka hits a low blow. He then tries a backslide, but Kanemaru does a low blow of his own. Simultaneous tag, and Kikuchi blasts Liger with elbows. Liger fights back with palm strikes, and a Liger bomb gets two. Kanemaru breaks it up and fights out of a double-team, which leads to one of those silly sequences where one guy takes out another guy only to be taken out by a third guy, who is in turn taken out by a fourth guy. Liger misses a corner charge, and Kikuchi rolls him up for two. Liger than hits a fisherman buster, which gets two. Regular brainbuster also gets two. OK, this is getting kind of ridiculous. Liger tries for a lariat, but Kikuchi reverses with a German. It gets two, but Kikuchi keeps the waistlock applied and does two rolling Germans, the second of which gets two. Kanemaru hits Tanaka with a brainbuster and rolls him out of the ring, and Kikuchi hits the fireball bomb and gets the pin. This had the potential for disaster going in, as NOAH and the New Japan juniors are both pretty much unwatchable at their worst. Fortunately, they manage to avoid the worst excesses of their respective styles. It pretty much degenerates into a spotfest from the hot tag on, but on the whole, it's a very solid tag match with all the hate you'd want and expect in an interpromotional battle. As far as matches centered around Kikuchi taking an ungodly beating go, though, it's not quite in the same league as Kobashi/Kikuchi vs. Can-Ams. Final Verdict: Fun -
The Complete & Accurate ***** Match List
NintendoLogic replied to NintendoLogic's topic in Pro Wrestling
Before I go into the next review, I want to flesh out the rating system in greater detail. Epic: A desert island match Great: A MOTYC Fun: A MOTNC on a typical PPV Skippable: Everything else Arn Anderson and Larry Zbyszko vs. Dustin Rhodes and Ricky Steamboat WCW Clash of the Champions XVII November 19, 1991 The story going in is that Dustin had been tagging with Barry Windham, but the Enforcers broke Windham's hand. So Dustin goes into this match with a mystery partner, who ends up being Steamboat making his surprise return to WCW. Lockup to start. Arn gains the advantage with an eye rake, but Steamboat fights his way out of a double-team, and soon all four men are brawling in the ring. The faces quickly gain the upper hand, so the heels take a breather outside (Arn: "He's just a man!"). Steamboat and Dustin start to go to work on Larry's arm, including a diving chop to the shoulder from Steamboat that JR calls a "karate thrust." At least he didn't call it a judo chop. Larry manages to make a blind tag, and Arn slugs Dustin down in the corner. Dustin comes back with a series of bionic elbows to Arn and Larry as JR likens him to Steve Avery. Holy shit, what a clumsy attempt to shoehorn a reference to another Turner property into the broadcast. Arn tags in Larry, who calls for Dustin to tag in Steamboat. Dustin obliges. Steamboat takes the advantage, so Larry slaps him and runs away. Steamboat gives chase, and Larry takes the opportunity to make the blind tag. Arn blindsides Steamboat, and we're officially into the FIP segment. Steamboat tries to fight back, but Arn cuts him off with a low blow. He then tries for a sunset flip, but Arn makes the blind tag. Abdominal stretch from Larry, which is of course illegally assisted by Arn. Dustin tries to break it up, but the ref cuts him off, allowing for more double-teaming. Steamboat counters a back body drop attempt with a facebuster and tries to make a tag, but Arn tags first and Larry cuts him off. After working Steamboat some more, Larry tags in Arn, who applies a bearhug. Steamboat tries to counter with a bodyscissors, but Arn reverses into a Boston crab. Dustin complains to the ref some more, allowing the heels to make an illegal switch. I have a soft spot in my heart for heels who don't have to cheat but do it anyway just to be dicks. Steamboat inches his way to his corner, but Arn distracts the ref, leading to one of my least favorite spots: the hot tag that the ref disallows because he didn't see it. I hate spots like that that put the heat on the ref rather than the heels. Plus, when the real hot tag comes, the pop is significantly smaller than for the initial one. Then there's the whole issue of the ref having no problem with the heels tagging sight unseen. Back to the action, as Arn goes for an axehandle off the top, and three guesses as to how that works out for him. Steamboat finally makes the tag, and Dustin is a house of fire. Steamboat makes a blind tag right before Dustin hits the bulldog, allowing him to hit Arn with a crossbody off the top. Dustin runs interference to prevent Larry from breaking up the tag, and Steamboat gets the three count. This was a classic Southern tag match executed as well as any other. Technically, there was nothing wrong with it, but it was missing that little something extra to take it to the next level. Of course, my annoyance with several of the conventions of the genre might be contributing to that conclusion. You could also take issue with the early arm work that went nowhere. Granted, Steamboat liked to fill out the opening portions of his matches with armbars and such. But when someone slams a guy's arm into the post, you kind of expect it to lead to something. In all, though, it was a fine way to spend 15 minutes. Final Verdict: Fun -
The Wrestlemania 29 Early Spring NY Weather Disaster Prediction Thread
NintendoLogic replied to Bix's topic in Pro Wrestling
Dave from about a year ago: I guess upstaging the NFL has rendered that moot. Well, you know what they say about hubris. -
I mentioned this in my post in the omnibus thread that split off into Rumble discussion, but Bret's Five Moves of Doom is indeed a myth. It wasn't five moves, he didn't do them in every match, and he didn't always do them in the same order.