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I'm 90% I remember Larry Matysik mentioning St. Louis had a show in conjunction with Ali-Inoki in one of those 57talk interviews.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
It was my first time seeing both spots, so I quite enjoyed it for what it was. -
[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Steven Regal vs Davey Boy Smith
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
Regal straight-up kicking out of a Davey Boy running powerslam was surprising. I enjoy the dizzying escapes and counters here. Davey Boy trying to play Regal's game and almost but not quite succeeding was a good story.- 12 replies
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[1993-10-24-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in October 1993
Most memorable moment for me: Jesse Ventura saying that he and Tony are being sprayed with blood while Cactus and Vader are brutalizing each other in the corner. This was plenty vicious, though the odd ending certainly knocks it down a few pegs.- 15 replies
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Different people. They have appeared on various podcasts together -Lagana's Formerly Creative and without looking probably Figure 4 Daily too. Someone on the F4D board last year used some app and verified those two were behind the account. Goldstein's been on my podcast, too. He's a nice guy. Pretty funny, very enthusiastic about wrestling. Terrible with dates, though. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
He was a suspect, though my guess was Alex Greenfield. Always possible it could be more than one person on the account. -
Those matches made my day. I used to work with a guy from Griffin, and boy do I feel like I understand him better now.
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You know what would be interesting ... and it's almost certainly impossible, I would think ... would be if you could go back and look at the data and compile a Wrestling GDP for each year: Getting a sense of how much money was drawn in the wrestling industry each year and through what revenue streams, and what percentage each promotion was responsible for gathering it. Again, I'm sure it would be impossible to do. But this thread made me think of what a valuable thing that might be to have.
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The WTF!?! Have they lost their minds?! thread
Jason Mann replied to Mr Wrestling X's topic in Pro Wrestling
The breakup was pretty random, but I hardly recall them being massively over. Without Bret they got almost no reaction despite getting a decent push. -
[1994-03-20-WWF-Wrestlemania X] Bret Hart vs Yokozuna
Jason Mann replied to Loss's topic in March 1994
My guess is that Reynolds was genuinely moved by alcohol. I so, so love this post-match celebration. Completely set the right tone for making Bret seem like the man. I think Vince himself joining them was a key moment, too. What other time has he gone into the ring and congratulated the new champion? And of course, Owen coming up from the curtain with that look of disdain. Great stuff.- 13 replies
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Tropes in pro-wrestling that you loathe
Jason Mann replied to Mr Wrestling X's topic in Megathread archive
Thanks for the examples. I really like the Hart Foundation-Brain Busters match and had always thought of that as a good deviation from the standard tag formula (though I'd never heard the term heel in peril until this thread): The Harts dominating when things are fair and coming close to winning (with the crowd going crazy for the close calls), only for the heels to steal it in the end. It's probably more the exception that proves the rule, though. I haven't seen Bulldogs-Dream Team since I was a kid, but I liked it then. I'm anxious to check out the others. -
Tropes in pro-wrestling that you loathe
Jason Mann replied to Mr Wrestling X's topic in Megathread archive
Just curious, but what's a good example of an '80s WWF-style heel in peril tag match? I'm not sure if I've seen one, and I'm a pretty big fan of mid to late 1980s WWF tag teams. -
A little off topic, but I just realized that Impact has been on Spike (since October 2005) longer than Nitro was on TNT (September 1995-March 2001). Which blew my mind. Also, I seem to recall Raven and Jeff Jarrett having at least one great match during the weekly PPV days. Don't remember exactly when, or if it would hold up now.
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The hierarchical structure of wrestling is a good thing to establish, but it makes me enjoy matches, like Ziggler-Cena, for example, in which the lower-level guy does better than you'd expect against the top guy. This obviously happens in real sports all the time, so it makes sense that one top star would have an off night or that one guy would get hot and have a better performance than usual. This was kind of the story with Santino in Elimination Chamber, too, although that was probably more luck-dependent than going above himself in skill for one night. Similar principle, though.
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I feel like Brutus Beefcake qualifies, especially during the Disciple years. Or even this.
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Agreed. Although I've enjoyed Laurinaitis and found this feud fairly enjoyable, I'm beyond sick of WWE shows structured around dominant authority figures making impromptu matches.
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This might be a broad question, but what is part of the universal criteria for you?
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Luckily he was and is awesome. Just an example. I wasn't making a judgment either way. I'm not crazy about what I've seen from Sabu, but I haven't seen enough of him then to form an informed opinion.
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I would love for someone to debate him about this back and forth. I'd love to even do it myself. There's probably a middle ground worth carving here: Just because a lot of people thought Sabu was awesome in 1994 doesn't mean he was, but it's good to understand why people thought that and how his flaws were exposed once people saw his act a few times. Understanding time and place is important, but we're all writing for a modern audience, and "Why was this important?", "Has this stood the test of time?" and "Is this worth watching now?" are questions that are relevant to answer as a reviewer. It's definitely a good discussion topic.
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My theory: People saw the potential in Jericho in 1998 to become one of the best ever and he was anointed that by some before it ever happened. And then it didn't happen: He was really, really good for a long time and great over stretches of his career, but he didn't have the sustained greatness in the ring or on promos that seemed possible in 1998.
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Maybe Rob Van Dam from 2003 on, with the exception of a couple of months during the ECW revival and his first few months in TNA. I recall him being pretty lifeless and rote during that time.