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It was clear at the time, not only in hindsight, that skipping developmental was a big mistake for him. Del Rio went through it and he was more well versed in different styles and spoke the language. They threw him out there with a neat gimmick and entrance but without the ability to work in a style that meshed with or to communicate with all but a couple guys on the roster. Combine that with either an unwillingness to adapt or a failure to provide any direction and you've got a situation that will undoubtedly fail to meet expectations.
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Booking philosophies of match sequencing
WingedEagle replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
I'm not fortunate enough to have ever been to any shows in Japan, but from watching plenty of tapes there seems to be a different type of reaction, whereby they're much more restrained and respectful in their appreciation rather than becoming part of the match itself -- at least generally, obviously you get some matches at Korakuen or other buildings with different environments. But isn't it possible that cultural difference in Japan and how wrestling is viewed there as opposed to here also contributes to how a crowd views a given show/lineup? -
Talk about undermining yourself. Your entire point seemed to consist of labeling Dave with certain learning or developmental disabilities and then imparting that onto his work product. Bravo.
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Booking philosophies of match sequencing
WingedEagle replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
Outside of placating egos and the related politics, I don't know if there's any valid reason for not giving the crowd a time filler in between main events. If they're wound up and going crazy for something they'll need an opportunity to come down and catch their breath before popping for something big again. Its basic cardio applied to a live audience -- crowds need that break between sprints to get their wind/enthusiasm the same way the wrestlers do. -
His hand motions are weird, but I kind of love it because it fits in with their entire act being different from everyone else on the roster. The entrance, promo style and production and offense don't fit the same cookie cutter mold that most new characters do. Its one reason they're standing out so far, along with being put over so strong. That also happened here, as even though Ambrose took a clean loss they transitioned to the post-match so quickly and strongly that the overriding arc was the shield taking out one of the biggest names on the roster.
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[1992-01-25-USWA-TV] Jeff Jarrett & Jerry Lawler vs The Moondogs
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in January 1992
Yes! Just a remarkable sequence to watch, and the fact they kept up the freshness and intensity for quite a few months is a real treasure.- 13 replies
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I watched Vader vs. Sting from the Bash on the '92 Yearbook yesterday and it really is remarkable how much better their matches are than with anyone else. Somehow they just never clicked with anyone else the way they did with each other. Vader sells Sting's offense as a giant killer -- but only when he has to. Sells his chops, lariats and punches as killer while sending him to the floor, but he's not out there playing the bitch (don't shoot me, it was too easy). He regroups on the floor or counters with a power move and is back to dominating before being put over strong.
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Is NJPW the best puro product currently?
WingedEagle replied to jpchicago23's topic in Pro Wrestling
Agreed, they present a great show. IVP's great too, my go to for anything I don't get online and he's got a lot available for download now as well. -
Is NJPW the best puro product currently?
WingedEagle replied to jpchicago23's topic in Pro Wrestling
If you can get your hands on them, I think its worth checking out all of the iPPV's since last September, which was a solid show with fun, varied action up and down the lineup with nothing bad. October featured Tanahashi vs. Suzuki which I thought was as good as any match last year. November had a better main event than September but a similarly fun show that never gets old. December was the tag tourney final and more of a set up for the Tokyo Dome show than anything else but certainly not offensive. January at the Dome was fun, with Tanahashi/Okada being their weakest match yet but by no means bad, something great and different in Nakamura/Sakuraba, Nagata vs. Suzuki which can't be bad as I don't mind Nagata and love Suzuki. Some folks went gaga for the IWGP Jr. title 3-way and while I didn't find it particularly memorable, it was still a fun spotfest that fit in well on this card. I'm waiting to get my hands on the April one which also sounded great. For me, their shows over the last year or 2 have been very enjoyable and easy to sit through. Its presented more seriously than anything domestic and the wrestling is never bad even when not great. You've got a ton of different workers throughout the card with distinct characters and its a great way to pass a couple hours. -
Cappetta had a bunch, may still have more. [email protected] Thanks, I just dropped him a line. I've still got one spare room in the apt that the wife hasn't commandeered and should be able to keep it mine for a couple years.
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I thought this was SNME rather than an MSG network show.
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Cosign, it was definitely uncomfortable at times but they got around that with some phenomenal storytelling and selling. Loved the work on the fingers and hand there. Like a modern day WMC studio match.
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I know this is the Jeff Hardy thread and Henry has his own, but I don't remember digging Henry during his early years. Absolutely have to go back and rewatch some of that now.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Forget constructing a new HOF. If they throw a little money into some professional displays they could turn that warehouse into something that dwarfs Cooperstown. Looks like an absolute goldmine. -
Rewatching this for the yearbook I still loved it. Only thought I'd add is that if I had to, I'd probably take Kawada & Kikuchi vs. Can-Ams from February over it. ****1/2
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Great quick tagging by both teams early and a neat sequence of dives. After that this felt like the worst of good AJW -- even less focus than usual and not nearly as many high spots as usual. Someone would try something in the ring, be it a submission or top rope move, it'd lead to the outside and a dive to the floor. But nothing here felt special or memorable in any way. ***
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Arn's stooging and his and Eaton's bumping really made the early portions of this match. They're just such pros. Zbyszko eats the first fall and instrumental in Arn losing the third, though I don't recall any big payoff to his taking all this heat. Unlike most weekly main events, the 2/3 falls stip served a purpose in the story. This group had better matches earlier in the year though. ***1/4
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[1992-05-23-WCW-Saturday Night] Fabulous Freebirds and Eric Bischoff
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in May 1992
Freebird Enterprises! Michael Hayes deserved his paycheck.- 14 replies
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Somehow in going through the month's threads I skipped over the likely MOTY to this point. Not a ton to add here as most has been covered quite thoroughly. I thought this match featured some of the better heel work that I've seen from Jumbo & co., as they dialed up the antics here quite a bit -- i.e. during Misawa's extended FIP run, Taue ramming Misawa against the turnbuckle and then quickly tagging in Fuchi like a third down sack specialist to brutalize a dazed QB, grinding his boot into him. On the other side you had Kawada flipping out, staring down and raising a middle finger at Jumbo's squad when he's in there. His performance here solidified him as one of the year's standout individual performers along with Negro Casas. The finish was great and felt huge too. Try me tomorrow and I may go full monty on this one. ****3/4
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[1992-05-23-WCW-Saturday Night] Ricky Steamboat and Dangerous Alliance
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in May 1992
DDP is out to interview Paul E. and reveals that Paul paid women to make allegations against Steamboat. This brings out Steamboat and leads to a big brawl with the DA and other faces.- 9 replies
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[1992-05-23-USWA-TV] Eric Embry vs Brian Christopher
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in May 1992
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[1992-05-23-USWA-TV] Brian Christopher vs Tom Prichard
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in May 1992
Way too much going on here before Pritchard is sent packing for SMW. Billy Travis is out afterwards to cut a promo and confront Christopher. -
We can definitely get a good idea of what guys in UFC make short of precise headline bonuses, but can't begin to speculate on the costs associated with their training camps and related expenses.
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Gilbert delivers an awesome promo against Lawler & Jarrett, looking like a big deal main eventer. He's a Gilbert and that's why he wins and dominates. Great stuff.