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Any love for Legends with JBL? The most recent ones with Road Dogg and Ron Simmons were very good, even emotional at times. I'd almost go as far to say it's better than the Stone Cold Podcast.

After watching Royal Rumble 1990, i find it sad that we never got face jake roberts vs heel randy savage. Yeah, we got heel jake vs face randy, but the match with the roles reversed would have been good too, given the sample of it we got in the rumble match.

Did they have the same restrictions that Saturday Morning Slam did as it pertains to certain moves (they werent allowed to use any shots to the neck on SMS)?

For the first 3-4 months of 2006 i didnt have access to it as my cable company didnt have UPN for some reason (thankfully, this meant i never got to see the infamous "Eddie's in hell" promo). Other than that, i've had access to it pretty much non-stop.

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Actually P&G had music for their earliest matches, but dropped it by Summerslam.

Several actually, Hogan, Piper, Steamboat, JYD, Hillbilly Jim, Cpl. Kirchner, Outback Jack, Bigelow, Strike Force, Young Stallions, Sam Houston, and Rockin Robin were all 1987-era faces who had theme music.

There were also cases where music just wouldnt fit. Barbarian, Warlord, and Bad News Brown for example had no music, as it wouldnt really fit their characters. Same with Backlund not having music until his "presidential canidate" gimmick, since Backlund was a throwback to the old school. Speaking of which, was the WWF the first company to use original music (as opposed to the "real" songs that Mid-South, Memphis, World Class, AWA, JCP, and other federations used at the time)?

Did Ventura ever work with Gordon Solie during this run? Thats a combo i would have liked to see.

Didnt they pretty much drop the horror/supernatural elements near the end of their run? I remember when Big Bubba joined and was wearing biker clothes, and you also had Konnan in his gang outfit, a far cry from the yetis or sharks or zodiacs and such.

Didnt the WWF show Rick McGraw's final match AFTER he died (and then announced his death the week after)? I guess the Marella incident isnt that scummy to be honest, it's more of an example of what can go wrong with pre-taped shows (see also the problems that happened with the WCW Disney tapings).

Would Gene Okerlund insulting Brady Boone on the WCW Hotline after his death count (he said the only reason nobody had a bad thing to say about Boone was because nobody knew who he was) qualify? Or how about the WWF not informing fans of Joey Marella's death until after the run of episodes taped with Marella as referee had aired?

Would the NWO Horsemen sketch count? Though to be fair, I remember reading that it was originally going to end with the Horsemen doing a run-in at the end and beating down the nwo (with Arn at the top of the ramp clapping), but they nixed it so that the nwo DIDNT get their comeuppance. Even then, they went after issues that had nothing to do with Arn the wrestler but Arn the person (ie, the references to drinking).

Most inexplicable addition to the DoD was Konnan. I still dont know why they bothered putting him in there, unless they had nothing else to do with him (he actually fit in better with the NWO).

There was also a guy on the indies using the Mortis gimmick even after Kanyon died.

According to Sex, Lies, and Headlocks, the indy fed Windy City Wrestling did an angle where the lead heel beat up a mentally handicapped fan (the way it was worded it made it seem like it was a legit fan and not a plant). I dont know much about this angle, but it sounds pretty scummy to me (even if the fan was just a plant, it's just real cheap heat).

Austin giving a stunner to Stacy Keibler for the "crime" of not wanting to drink beer. Bear in mind that both Austin and Stacy were babyfaces at this time, and it led to nothing, so not only scummy, but pointless. The 2002 Molly Holly angle comes to mind as well, shaming her for both being a Virgin and having a large butt. Im still trying to figure out why she even allowed them to do that angle.

Dont know how good the match would have been, but i always wanted to see Vader vs Nash in some "battle of the powerbombs" thing. I wonder if that was planned if Nash hadnt left the WWF in 1996.

Also for the "it was 1992" list, but check out the 2:00 minute mark of this: which is pretty damn dark for the time period. i Thought the Nailz Beatdown of Bossman was pretty intense as well. Not much talk about the state of WCW in this thread. It seemed that WCW at this time period was a weird mixture of serious wrestling and ultra-campy gimmicks (even the Bill Watts era still had Vinnie Vegas, Super Invader, Scotty Flamingo, Slazenger and Pierce, and that Tom Zenk/Johnny Gunn vignette). Thngs started changing when the luchadors and Guerrero, Malenko, and Benoit came in, but the shift wouldnt be complete until the debut of the NWO.

I never liked Brian Pillman in long tights, it never really worked for me.

Was there a reasoning for making Starrcade 89, 90, and 91 gimmick-driven ppvs (89 with the iron man tourney, 90 with the tag tourney, though that was only part of the ppv, and 91 with battlebowl)? Looking back, it seems like they were pushing Great American Bash to be more important during those years.

Cena did wear tights when he debuted in WWE, but they were so incredibly generic that the jean shorts were a step up.

Owen's Nation tights (the "danger" singlet) was pretty hokey as well. He really should have stuck to the black hart singlet.

It may seem external, but ring attire can make or break certain wrestlers (can you imagine Flair in his prime without the "RF" on the side of his tights?). However, what are some of the worst ring attires you can think of? This only applies to stuff worn while wrestling, stuff like Steamboat's dragon outfit doesnt count. Zack Ryder had a hideous pair of tights in WWECW where he had tights where one leg was long and the other was short. IRS was also a ridiculous outfit, he had some good matches while wearing the business suit, true (mainly as a member of Money Inc), but i could never take him seriously with it on (Mr Hughes OTOH, while not the best wrestler in the world, looked more effective in the suit and tie look).

The problem with banning the top rope moves to make it an "outlaw" move, was that it crippled the light heavyweight dvision, which, at the time, was built off high flyers like pillman and liger. By getting rid of that move, you make LHW matches the same as every other match in the promotion. That aside, there was enough good in 1992 wcw to make it worthwhile. 1993, while i liked it while watching, had those atrocious Disney tapings where they pretty much booked the rest of the year right then and there (WWF did the same thing in the late 80s/early 90s, but never on such a large scale), therefore making it useless for any wrestler to try to get over since theyve already penciled in the new champs. Im also kind of bitter that Cactus Jack never got his revenge on Vader (at least have him win a non-title match).