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WWE would kill to have a midcarder as versatile and permaover as Disco today, you prick. So this guy shares his opinion about Booker mentioning Disco and gets called a prick for it? That's bullshit. He's entitled to his opinion, and as far as Disco Inferno goes, Glen Gilberti is an egotistical moron, who isn't anywhere near as clever as he thinks he is. You know...like you, you dumb shit. Lmao

Folks do get mad at the bookers instead of heels now. Online chats about wrestling long, long ago hit critical mass of talking about the writers and writing instead of the characters. Things that 20 years ago would get people talking about what a piece of shit X heel is for doing whatever they did is now "It's not heat on the talent, it's heat on the bookers" navel gazing dumbshit that you'd never get when discussing other TV shows. Transposing heat from heels to bookers is how super smarks make it still be real to them in 2017.

WWE would kill to have a midcarder as versatile and permaover as Disco today, you prick.

Throughout WWWFE history, I'd say there are more cards where the heels win and faces look like losers and idiots than the other way around. It's just now, instead of getting mad at the heels for cheating, people get mad at the bookers for booking them to cheat.

PPVs have been full of shit finishes since they started. PPVs going back to the 80s are littered with DQs, no contests, and count out finishes even in main events of such shows as big as Wrestlemania.

I don't give Punk nearly as much credit as Bryan because Punk wasn't hired due to his in ring work. I 100% believe Punk wouldn't have been signed at all if he wasn't basically the only guy on the indies who could cut a promo at the time, plus he was taller than the vast majority of guys as well. I wouldn't even put Punk down as the guy that blazed the trail for Bryan, as WWE has always had work rate guys to fill the undercard going back decades. Bryan would have been signed eventually no matter what, if just to be a guy to have good matches. His success is what changed the paradigm. Punk was a mostly safe bet since almost anyone who can talk can get over, which is what happened when they started letting him talk. It certainly wasn't his classic and athletic ring style that brought Punk to the dance.

It wasn't booked well before MITB, dawg.

Not a good show at all, but shout out to the Maharajah retaining even though he should never, ever be booked in a 20 minute match again. Also shout out to Corbin's exquisite heel booking. Usos/New Day was for sure MOTN. AJ/Nak at Summerslam or WM is going to be LIT. Women's MITB being won by a man all to set up a Daniel Bryan promo is never going to not be funny. I hope the decision is made that Ellsworth actually won and he's the one that can cash in since no one thinks of him as a man. Where are all those SD marks saying the women's division is so much better on the blue brand?

PTW in 1986 is some of the worst televised wrestling programs I've ever seen.

Chuck's grenade spot also only comes in purely comedy matches from start to finish. It's not like he does it in the middle of a superheated, stiff, serious match.

Yet the median age for live crowds is probably half that.

Who is praising Hogan so much for his in ring prowess?

They were the greatest thing on ONE Takeover. And they weren't even the best part of their match. AA had lost almost all steam and hype before they even got called up.

He actually said the first match was better than any match in the history of wrestling, but now he ranked the rematch higher so even if you don't take the stars at face value, his words say these are the two greatest matches in the history of pro wrestling. Which is lol, but whatever.

I agreed with both JBL and Corey about the dive shit. Both had pretty valid points, although JBL's insistence on AJ/Cena being an example of tearing the house down without doing moves and moves and moves was pretty lol. The AJ/Cena series was another in a line of Cena doing indie spot stuff and getting praised for it, which made sense in their first meeting as the story was Cena proving he could keep up with and do whatever AJ could, as opposed to the follow ups which were just the Cena PWG formula with AJ, which elevated it a bit because it's AJ. In the end, JBL and Graves both agreed that Ricochet vs Ospreay was great, so the whole argument kind of seemed pointless.

Idk, there should always been some trepidation that Brock is just going to do his 5 minute squash match against literally anyone. I have a little less trepidation when it comes to Brock/Joe as Brock's best matches since his return have been with either vets or guys who were legitimate athletes. Joe is both, and his athletic endeavors happen to line up with Brock's, and he's definitely not afraid to throw or take big bombs, so I have pretty reasonable hopes it will be more than what we've seen of Brock against Rollins/Ambrose/Wyatt types.

The scale was meaningless anyway since it's one guy and he has WILDLY different matches and talents involved in the same star level of matches all over the place. Jim Cornette has a **** match to his name, for example. If you watched Dominion or WK and thought Naito/Tanahashi had better matches than Okada/Omega, but then get bent out of shape that Meltzer didn't rate them as high or higher, you're missing out on just enjoying what you like more.

That's what happens when a company reaches peak saturation. Any company. It's not just a wrestling thing. People are excited because Apple is finally putting something new out for the first time in years that isn't just a bigger/smaller/otherwise upgraded version of something they've already put out in the past decade. When a company gets big enough, there's very little reason to rock the boat even if you do have competition.

1. I have 2. I didn't say everything is so interesting. A lot of it isn't. I said it feels like the 3 months post-WM have been more interesting than the 3 months of Road to WM.

On the topic of irrelevancy, I think judging wrestling's relevancy by TV ratings in America in 2017 is dumb and doesn't give the picture at all. Rolling Stone is regularly covering and doing interviews with WWE, ROH, and NJPW talent. Wrestlemania has been able to sell 70-100K stadiums for the past decade of WM. The indies are more profitable than ever. WWE continues to expand into new areas, they're able to run 3 separate world wide tours at once. NJPW is selling out a venue of 3K in their first officially promoted shows in the US. Judging it just on what the TV ratings are seems misguided.

Idk it feels like there's been more interesting shit going on in the past 2 months than the entire road to WM, which might have been the coldest and least interesting I can remember. The build to WM felt like 3 months of build to a show with the title of something like Great Balls of Fire.

That's what I thought from the start even if they were sending top talent over. Then they seemed to intentionally temper expectations by having Billy Gunn and Cody Rhodes in top spots on the cards. That or they don't understand that the NJPW fans in America don't want to see a shitty American promotion with NJPW branding, they want NJPW shows in America.

That's actually the plan. To basically run a promotion with their gaijin in SoCal and scout new foreign talent while sending in a mid carder once every few months. It will have far less involvement from top NJ talent than the ROH relationship.

I'd say it's more the first 1/3rd was meaningless bullshitas opposed to 2/3rds. You should watch the show starting at the junior tag, El P. It's likely the best show of the year show far, which is weird because NJ shows are always so top heavy and dog shit on the undercard.

Okada/Omega was good, but not great, just like the WK match. For various reasons. The top reason being both were too fucking long and could have cut 20 minutes out (more in Dominion's case) and had the same story with a much better pace and less padding. I get the story, but I feel like it would have been better to have a double stoppage or something 20 minutes sooner. Or double in ring count out. When it was good it was really good, much like at WK. When it wasn't, it was boring as hell. Once again, Naito/Tanahashi outdid them, and I'd probably say Kushida/Takahashi did as well, and I'm not a fan of Kushida at all.