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[1998-08-02-NJPW-G1 Climax] Shinya Hashimoto vs Kazuo Yamazaki
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
Few guys can get more out of less than Hash and Yamazaki. This is another outstanding minimalist performance from Hash specifically, not doing a lot until the end but making every strike both delivered and received count, with the crowd just molten for each one. A MOTYC for sure.- 11 replies
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This is a sort-of dream match between two big names and the result is absolutely awful. Inoue spends the whole match getting quadruple-teamed by Asuka and three goons, thus sparing us the sight of having to sit through an actual wrestling match, because we all know wrestling is out in 1998. Lots of feng shui furniture-arranging in lieu of action, including a top-rope power bomb that involves some of the most bush-league, business-exposing, amateur-hour execution I've ever seen in a joshi match. Inoue gets her ass kicked the entire match that we see and then pins Asuka in one move, and on top of that the finish is blown, too. Maybe the worst joshi segment of any Yearbook.
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It's hard to argue Hales' point, really. Lawler brought this on himself by dumping Hales out of his wheelchair the previous week. This is one of Hales' strongest promos so far--he declares that the planned street fight between Baxter and Stacy "isn't quality TV--that's trash TV, that's filth TV!"
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Corey offers stumbling, confused narration while trying to simultaneously call the elimination match as well as an attack on Lawler in the control room. Travis hits a good-looking piledriver right outside the control room door and Brian Christopher eliminates himself to try to save the King.
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[1998-08-01-MPPW-TV] Jerry Lawler and Billy Joe Travis
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
Welllll...the comparison was to other shows on Saturdays, and those are usually syndicated reruns to begin with--including the shows like X-Files and Murphy Brown that Lawler mentioned by name. Lawler announces a loaded episode of TV, including an 8-man elimination match, Bill Dundee vs. Koko Ware, himself vs. Billy Travis in a piledriver match, and a back alley street fight between Brandon Baxter and Stacy! -
The Nash/Piper confrontation was after Uncensored '97, unless there was more than one which is quite possible.
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[1998-08-01-NJPW-G1 Climax] Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
This could well sneak onto the MOTY list--this was a war of attrition in the video-game, energy-bar-selling sense. It's strike-heavy, but they vary the pace and intensity of those strikes all throughout the match so it never really feels that repetitive, while also throwing in a few digressions into submissions or bomb-throwing as a change of pace. Hash wins and does so fairly convincingly, but the DDT finish still feels like a bit of a flash pin in the way it's sold, so Tenryu is protected somewhat.- 12 replies
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[1998-08-01-NJPW-G1 Climax] Shiro Koshinaka vs Masa Chono
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1998
Yeah, I'm with Chad and Childs, too. This was a good solid match and Koshinaka is one of my all-time least favorite wrestlers who has a generally good reputation, so I had no expectations going into this. I don't get where the crowd was quieted--after Koshinaka hits the two power bombs and Chono kicks out, they're pretty molten. This isn't an all-timer or anything but it was heated and dramatic and had me guessing down the stretch, plus had some clever spots that I liked, particularly Koshinaka shoving the referee into the ropes in order to crotch Chono on the turnbuckle. My only tangible complaint is how loosely Chono's Butterfly Lock was applied--like 1995-Backlund-crossface-chickenwing levels--and that can fly in the WWF but not NJPW.- 6 replies
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Oh dear God, am I glad I broke my pattern and read the comments first. I can't even be compelled to care about the "Final Deletion," much less this.
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The finish was WTF-worthy both for me and the crowd--at first I thought it was a time limit draw. Anyway, both these guys are starting to break down (18 years before the end of either man's career!) so they're content to milk the drama and big moments for all that they're worth, and they do so successfully. Muto targets Tenryu's knee with his dragon screws to set up the figure four and Tenryu throws punches, and lots of them. Both guys hit Super Ace Crushers but Muto does his to the *floor* in a holy-shit moment that nonetheless looked to be about as safe of a bump as you could ask for in that situation. For the most part, an example of smart work tending to trump hard work.
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Where the Big Boys Play #85: Starrcade 1992
PeteF3 replied to soup23's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Okay, I just went through all the TV bouts on the 1992 Yearbook. I don't THINK Loss & Will missed anything essential when compiling the set, which speaks volumes considering the number of good TV matches WCW had especially in the first half of the year. It's been ages since I watched Will's Dangerous Alliance comp which features a ton more, but the really good stuff made the Yearbook proper. That said...you said you were looking for around 12 matches. Here are 7 that I would consider absolute, must-have locks: - Dustin vs. Arn (1/4 WCWSN, finish on 1/5 Main Event) - Pillman vs. Rude (2/15 Pro) - Sting/Dustin/Windham/Steamboat vs. Rude/Arn/Eaton/Zbyszko (2/22 WCWSN) - Steamboat/Dustin/Nikita vs. Arn/Eaton/Zbyszko (5/23 WCWSN) - Windham vs. Austin (6/13 WCWSN) - Dustin/Windham vs. Doc/Gordy (10/3 WCWSN) - Dustin vs. Vader (11/21 WCWSN) And others to consider: - Sting/Steamboat/Bagwell vs. Rude/Austin/Zbyszko (1/18 Pro). A lesser version of the DA 6-mans but the consensus was universally positive in the thread. - Steamboat vs. Arn (3/28 Pro). A hot post-match angle adds to a pretty good TV match. This might be the highest-ranking "non-must" IMO. - Steamboat/Dustin/Windham vs. Rude/Austin/Arn (4/4 Pro). Yet another good 6-man, they do all tend to run together, though. - Big Josh vs. Arn Anderson (5/2 WCWSN). A controversial selection that I suspect Parv might veto out of hand. This was a divisive bout that didn't seem to live up to its prior rep when watched in a Yearbook setting. There's lots of gritty, intense matwork but it's also 45 minutes, with color analysis by Jason Hervey. Maybe one of those "you have to see it once" matches. - Austin vs. Windham (5/9 WCWSN). Loss called this Austin's best match to this point, though that was before he really dove into the Adams stuff from 1990. Also the debut of short-haired Austin. - Dustin vs. Rude (5/30 Worldwide). A good compare-and-contrast opportunity with Pillman/Rude. - Arn vs. Windham (6/6 WCWSN). Included for posterity. The infamous match that Parv reviewed instead of the '91 match. - Dustin vs. Cactus Jack, falls count anywhere (9/6 Main Event). One of the first in a series for Cactus. Short but intense and really puts Jack over in this environment strongly. - Dustin vs. Jake Roberts (9/26 WCWSN). Maybe not big enough to truly be worthy of the list but it was well-liked and stands out as different in a sea of various Dangerous Alliance matches. One of the better late-career Jake performances--this is one to provide hard support to the idea of Roberts as a "ring general" instead of just repeating it as a cliche. - Sting/Steiners vs. Rude/Arn/Eaton (10/3 Worldwide). No Paul E. but a last-gasp 6-man effort in this feud. Loss called it the best TV match of the year's second half--I'm not as sure but this is made by a HOT crowd. -
We don't get it in full but I have to wonder just how believable it was for UT to work FIP against the Outlaws. Austin almost singlehandedly puts them away once he gets the hot tag. He offers UT a Steveweiser afterward and Undertaker accepts, and all seems to be well. Austin gets nailed from behind just as I'm wondering why there wasn't a Kane and Mankind run-in.
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Pretty good segment, with even Sable being tolerable. Jackie and Mero are declared the official bikini contest winners and both sell it like they've hit the lottery, then Vince takes up Sable on her wish to have this told to her face. McMahon is incredible here, taking time to browbeat photographers, Lawler, and that fan who threw the drink at him all while dressing down Sable and trying to put her in her place. As far as Russo-esque segments that don't build up to any kind of real match go, this was a winner.
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Pretty smartly laid out match, that gets pretty good when Rock starts getting offense in. They did a good job of giving Rock an offensive run without undermining DX. And X-Pac was always a good opponent for him because he can make his rather loose offense look pretty killer, especially the Rock Bottom where X-Pac gets great height and looks dead afterward. A rift forms between DX and Rock takes advantage and bails.
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Nice knowing you, Doc. JR keeps his composure but is audibly pretty broken up when Williams goes down. I'm glad that at least AJPW saw fit to at least try to make some money out of this even if the WWF couldn't.
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Still more questions than answers after last night, though JR seems to believe that there's no longer a UT/Kane conspiracy. Vince and, apparently, Austin still aren't so sure.
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DDP represents no organization, he stands alone, so sayeth Michael Buffer. Does WCW have ANYBODY left? Page bumps well and works hard but this is nowhere near as good as their October '97 match because Hogan has fallen off since then. I don't go into a Hogan match expecting to see a Kawada clone in there, but he's *so* stiff, awkward, and loose at this point that it's actively distracting. Cheap finish and another tepid Wolfpack vs. Hollywood brawl. Goldberg then clears out NWO Hollywood, only to get met with a chokeslam by the Giant. There's no question that's a pretty decent main event or semi-main event match, so I didn't have a problem with Giant getting some heat on him. It may have worked better if Nitro had gone off the air with Goldberg still hanging in Giant's grip.
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I wish they'd put over that the security was there to protect everybody *else* from Goldberg. I agree with everything Loss said--about the entrance, about the decision to have him speak, and everything else. The first time Goldberg spoke should have been a shocking, spontaneous moment, triggered by an act so monumental that it *forced* him to break his silence. Hell, we can complain a ton about how they handled the Hogan-Sting title situation at the start of the year, but Sting's first real words in a year were good ones and well-timed. Same with Sabu calling out Taz or Kane speaking through his voice box (and then later without it). This...wasn't any of those. Goldberg breaks his silence to instead...say nothing particular of note. Oh, Goldberg vs. Brian Adams is tonight--yeah, that should put a dent in Austin-Mania. Goldberg effecting a Christian Bale/Batman-style raspy voice isn't really helping matters, either.
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Going to disagree here--they didn't engage in a down-and-dirty brawl, but the moves they did despite being athletic highspots weren't designed to be pretty--they were designed to hurt the opponent. Just a little bit of extra velocity and oomph to add that personal touch. The big DDT off the turnbuckle was a great-looking move but it was also a move designed for Dean to break Jericho's neck. The near-fall afterward with Jericho grasping the rope at 2.9 was fantastic, one of the very best of the year. And a finish right out of Memphis, which I loved as a capper to all this '90s cruiserweight flippy-flop stuff. I actually like that Jericho wrestles clean and does highspots for most of this--*then* when that fails, he turns to the knucks. Just a simple change in psychology from Memphis-style cheating that I've heard Tully Blanchard talk about--he tried to open his matches by wrestling clean and only turned to cheating as a last resort. In the end, they cycle through an epic cruiserweight bout in the span of about 6 minutes but it only feels slightly rushed--this was one of the better TV matches of the year.
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Definitely a throwaway in the annals of Attitude Era PPVs. The dueling-tag-champions gimmick isn't completely played out yet, but it's rapidly approaching that point. The action we see isn't really that good, with some weirdly inconsistent selling by Austin, but Undertaker does a really good job of working on the apron despite (or precisely because of) not doing anything until deciding to tag in.
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The opening video package is pure Springer and is the most entertaining part about this, though Dustin sure gives it the old college try himself. This...yeah, is what it is. It had greater effect when seeing boobs required real effort, especially for the Attitude Era's target audience. Sable's voice is still like nails on a chalkboard.
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I don't know of this match having any kind of rep at all outside of this thread, but this was *awesome.* The hatred was there, the stiffness was there, there was some wrasslin' stuff that was well-incorporated...I can see complaints about the screwjob, but they went about it creatively and they *did* sort of book themselves into a corner. You can't book Owen to tap Shamrock legitimately and the Hart family probably wasn't going to let the WWF into their home just so Owen can do a job. This ostensibly sets up a Shamrock-Severn feud that I don't think ever really comes about due to Russo's ADHD. In any case, this was terrific. It was short, but the way these two were going it couldn't have realistically lasted much longer. Agreed on Lawler's horrible giggling commentary, though.
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Too much walking around for my taste too, but Honma carries this to something pretty darn good with his selling, bumping, and overall flair for the dramatic. Shadow WX is basically a slightly more athletic Pogo who takes and takes and takes without giving much, but to his credit he's the first one to bump into the barbed wire board. Honma is a total masochist but he manages to make the stuff with the barbed wire look like it's "big" and important, instead of just a way to get off on bleeding. If this took place in the ECW Arena people would be hyping it up as a Match of the Year.