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	Too long of a segment for what they were trying to accomplish and the heat dissipates to a disturbing degree the longer the brawl goes.
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				[1999-12-16-WCW-Thunder] Juventud Guerrera on color commentary
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Tenay: "Another swerve?!" Aping the Rock's catchphrases even as a self-deprecating gimmick is so fucking sad and desperate at this point. Meanwhile the guys running WWF TV were pretending not to even know who Juventud was. - 
	The writing had been on the wall for poor Test for quite some time--from not getting major revenge on the British Bulldog way back when he clocked Steph with a trash can, to not getting to sub for Austin at Survivor Series, to not trying to do anything after HHH married his fiance, to...this. Again, maybe Test was never going to be a perennial main eventer, but he sure deserved a chance to carry the ball for at least a PPV or two.
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				[1999-12-13-WWF-Raw] The Rock & Mankind vs D-Von & Bubba Ray Dudley
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Rock kisses up to Tampa Bay Devil Ray HOFer Wade Boggs--of course Boggs was a longtime wrestling fan but it's a good illustration of where wrestling was at this point. Fun energetic match, though I don't know if all the HHH/Stephanie involvement was necessary, nor was the false finish--that said, they did need to get the idea over that HHH and Stephanie were now in charge and drunk with power. The idea of Snow not actually being a licensed referee and thus the pin not counting is the kind of minor attention to detail that Russo was incapable of but still welcomed even in the era of wins, losses, and rules not really mattering. - 
	
	
				[1999-12-13-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon, HHH and Stephanie McMahon
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Stephanie pretty effectively puts Vince in her place, to loud "She's a bitch!" chants and then "SLUT!" chants. HHH amends his mistake from last night by knocking out Vince--tonight he can watch he and Stephanie seal the deal with a kiss. - 
	Mark Henry raves about the most erotic, incredible, unbelievable experience he's ever had in his life. Thanks, Mae! She invites Mark to cuddle.
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				[1999-12-13-WCW-Nitro] Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs Bret Hart & Goldberg
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
I almost wonder if this was supposed to be a double-pin and in classic WCW fashion it turned out not to be. God knows why or how Bret got to be the legal man considering he just ran in and never tagged in, but I'm putting too much thought into this.- 3 replies
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	Ooh, a Mike Graham sighting--as thrilling as it sounds. Rhonda Singh shows up with the Nitro Girls for no particular reason. I don't think I'd want Finlay as a personal trainer but it's mildly amusing to watch him abuse Brian Knobbs. "The Block"--ROTFL. Smiley's girly screams are interesting but the production is out-and-out hilarious. Tank Abbott and Meng continue a fight from elsewhere which leads to Abbott vs. Flynn. We can't actually show a conclusion or declare a winner of anything because of course that doesn't matter. Russo tells Orndorff and his Howie Long haircut that he's fired because he trained Midnight. Orndorff was a New Orleans Saint?! The Howie Long line wasn't so good that Russo had to re-use it. La Parka helps Creative Control restrain Orndorff and that's a match I'd much rather have seen.
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	My culturally ignorant too-much-wrestling-watching ass can't think of any Western analogue to Kitano--it's like, I dunno, if Jordan Peele started a successful talk show and ran it for years between Key & Peele and becoming an award-nominated director and continues making more Get Outs.
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	I can't imagine watching this for 30 minutes but the action we see isn't offensively bad or anything. In a shocking twist, they do NOT have Stephanie pick up the sledgehammer, prepare to hit HHH, then swing around and hit Vince instead. Instead she costs Vince the match through more subtle means and solidifies her turn afterward. And things will never be the same again.
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	I dunno, I thought the Good Housekeeping Match and this were pretty close in overall quality, but the first match was due to all the bells and whistles surrounding it, while Jericho turned in a better individual performance and match layout (assuming Jericho laid out/called the match). Backstage fighting aside, at least the finish to this was the right one, as Jericho wins decisively.
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				[1999-12-12-WWF-Armageddon] Miss Kitty's Wardrobe Malfunction
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Women's revolution, baby. Jackie doesn't seem altogether thrilled with this. This is peak Lawler annoyance levels, as if that wouldn't be obvious. I wasn't aware that Kitty was doing the exhibitionist act this early--I thought that started after RTC was in full force. - 
	He's not--he got the "future endeavours" treatment, while Cass did not.
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	Me too. This is another 2.9-fest that wears out its welcome after a fun start. And those dueling-ducking-lariats at the very end were totally eye-rolling. Moreso than that, all those 2.9s and counters and beats just feel very choreographed in comparison to what the other Japanese companies are doing--"one, two, kickout at 2.9," like they're dance steps you can call in advance. Contrary to being an annoyance, I thought Kuroda was the most enjoyable guy in the match--he showed great personality early on and really made you want to see his face get smashed in, which it does in spades. That aside, the opening matwork was way more compelling than the closing finisher-spamming. In conclusion, most of late-'90s FMW is the classic child piano prodigy--their workers can play the notes, but can't play the music.
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				Guys who were with the company far longer than you remember
PeteF3 replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
Koko was gone for about a year, from the fall of '91 until coming back in the fall or late summer of '92 to be part of High Energy. What's more forgotten is that he shows up again in early '94, and even works a match against the freshly turned Owen on Superstars. - 
	
	
				Guys who were with the company far longer than you remember
PeteF3 replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
Also, Butch was the in-between man between Vince and Paul Wight, who had been negotiating in secret since like 1996. - 
	I was hoping we'd get Jeff Cobb or some other surprise/outsider (Johnny Mundo was also rumored, which would have at least been different), but nothing like that this year.
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				Guys who were with the company far longer than you remember
PeteF3 replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
SD was weird--he worked up through New Year's Eve 1988, then not at all in 1989. wrestlingdata has no results for him but I believe he did work for Savoldi and people like that. Then he reappears in mid-to-late 1990 for a few TV jobs and then is gone for good. Speaking of nerding out over job guys, 1970's jobber Silvano Sousa suddenly showed up again in 1987 after years of absence to do a single shot, jobbing to the One Man Gang. The Bushwhackers interacting with Loose Cannon Brian Pillman (he broke a crutch over one of their heads) is one of the weirdest collision of eras and worlds in wrestling history. - 
	Kazuchika Okada Jay White Hiroshi Tanahashi Kenny Omega Tetsuya Naito Minoru Suzuki Tomohiro Ishii Evil Hangman Page Sanada Juice Robinson Toru Yano Bad Luck Fale Yoshi-Hashi Hirooki Goto Kota Ibushi Zack Sabre, Jr. Tama Tonga Michael Elgin Togi Makabe No blocks yet, but it's the same lineup as last year except Nagata and Kojima are out, Hangman Page and Jay White are in.
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	And FMW had room for a women's division because they were a B-level promotion with less men's depth than the Big Two but still enjoyed the fruits of the Joshi class of the late '80s created by the Crush Gals' popularity. And even then, who ever really gave a fuck about any of the FMW women once you got past Kudo and Combat?
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	Bix has made that point repeatedly, actually.
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	Like I said in the New Japan thread, there are reasonable points to be made on both sides of this argument, and Dave has made some of them--but that basketball analogy needs to go into the circular file like, yesterday.