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Even though we saw a lot of these people earlier in the set I have no idea who was originally on whose side here, and it doesn't seem like the crowd does either.
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- December 11
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[1999-12-11-ARSION] Ayako Hamada & AKINO vs Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
This was pretty good but I definitely didn't like it as much as anyone else, though there were some truly spectacular moments like Shimoda's sadistic smile, the wiping of the blood on Aja's shirt, and some of the counterwrestling done by the babyfaces. That said, I grew numb to LCO's garbage brawls where they cut off their opponents at every opportunity and never seem to take what they dish out--like, we all know the deal with chairshots to the head so I'm not advocating for people to give themselves concussions, but please don't indiscriminately brain people with chairs and then cover up like you're trying not to break a nail when Hamada and AKINO are giving them back to you. And the big triumphant comeback and victory didn't really feel earned the way it was in Aja's match earlier on the set--this was closer to one of those patented Scott Hall slip-on-a-banana-peel finishes where the babyface comes off as lucky and fluky rather than smart and resourceful. This sounds really bitchy but I did enjoy the match overall, I just don't see it as MOTY level even for this year. The in-ring stuff, blood aside, was way better than the out-of-the-ring stuff and weapons involvement.- 10 replies
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Raven refused to help Tommy Dreamer from a beating because it would mean helping Sandman as well. Dreamer says if "Scotty" does anything like that again he'll give him the beating he wishes he gave his father. Oh well, Raven's past has never been hidden by ECW, so shoot namez are acceptable here. That said, yes, it's time to shit or get off the pot with this angle.
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- December 10
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Wrestling moves/holds I'd like to see mount a comeback
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in Pro Wrestling
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Wrestling moves/holds I'd like to see mount a comeback
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in Pro Wrestling
I like a good gut wrench suplex. Does anyone use that anymore? It's sort of swung back the other way, but for awhile no one was dropping elbows or knees--if a guy went down they'd lean forward with their hands on their knees, maybe making the "get up" motion, to prepare for the inevitable superkick or rolling elbow. -
Corino excoriates hardcore music in addition to hardcore wrestling, then demands Dusty Rhodes leave before he kills another promotion. Sometimes Corino's overly slow talking can get on my nerves, but he's so committed to what he's saying that he makes up for it. He and Victory are having too much fun bumping and selling for the Dream's elbows, with Corino selling the elbow drop in particular like he's being electrocuted.
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[1999-12-10-NJPW-Battle Final] Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Muto
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Awesome war of attrition, with a total pro in Tenryu and Muto, regardless of his physical condition, being "on" this time. The psychology of the body parts is on-point, and so is the gradual selling of energy wasting away as more and more bombs are dropped and punches and kicks are thrown. Tenryu wins the IWGP title, and who would have thought that within the year he'd be contending for the Triple Crown, too!- 5 replies
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- December 10
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Christopher gets the club to swap in the Too Cool theme for the club music, allowing Rikishi to get down. It's amazing how far this gimmick went and how much it got over, and how quickly the WWF got behind it when it unexpectedly did. A far cry from how things go today.
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Between the Sheets #148 (May 16-22, 1986)
PeteF3 replied to KrisZ's topic in Publications and Podcasts
He doesn't? The number of promos where he talks about offering up his innocence (or Dustin offering up his) and getting repaid in scorn has to number in the triple digits. -
I'd bank on a non-finish like what we got with Doc, but no, Rude was not scheduled to win the title at Starrcade.
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[1999-12-09-WWF-Smackdown] Mankind and Al Snow video
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
I did like this brief heel run for Snow, even though it didn't really go anywhere and was undone in short order. Snow's heel turn promo where he trashes Mick's book was a good one. -
[1999-12-09-WWF-Smackdown] Test and Stephanie McMahon
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
The writing was on the wall for Test when he wasn't put in Survivor Series to replace Austin. It's about to get a lot worse for him. Maybe he really didn't have the goods to be a long-term main eventer, but this booking seems pretty self-defeating. -
[1999-12-09-WCW-Thunder] Bret Hart & Goldberg vs Creative Control
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
Y'know, someone who actually knew something about wrestling and was interested in making this match as good as possible could possibly put together some *build* to Goldberg getting involved, considering how hot the crowd was for him on the apron waiting for the hot tag. But we don't really get that, as Goldberg plays second fiddle to some drama involving Roddy Piper and the NWO referee. -
[1999-12-09-WCW-Thunder] WCW Mayhem: The Music commercial
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
TBS Voiceover Guy informs us that exclusive tracks by Kid Rock, Metallica, Slayer, and other heavy hitters will be on this album. Yep, that's a hell of a lineup. -
Juvie declares the Artist Formerly Known As... to be "a great gimmick for the worst wrestler in the company," which does make me laugh. Iaukea shows absolutely no charisma or any idea of how to play this new gimmick. I'd love to know how much of Juvie's hatred for Vampiro is real.
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Tenay has recovered remarkably quickly from having a guitar broken over his head on Nitro. I also don't get how having a first-guy-to-power-bomb-wins match "proves" who's the Master of the Power Bomb--that just proves who can hit it first, not which one is more effective. Wouldn't it make more sense to dictate that the match can only end after a power bomb? Juvie spouting off the Rock's catchphrases isn't as bad as Randy Savage using them unironically but man does it come off as desperate.
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I had fun with this in spite of myself, though there were some glaring flaws. It functioned as a Greatest Hits match between the two and in that aspect it was fun--in front of one of the hotter AJW crowds in the latter half of the decade. Maybe not anything new under the sun, but as joshi in general and AJW in particular got more and more marginalized as the '90s wore on, it ended up being kinda fun to see the old spots again, some with new twists like Manami mocking Kyoko's clapping-hip-shimmy-Indian-deathlock taunt thing. I do think the closing stretch went on a little too long, but at this point it's sort of like complaining about WrestleMania being too long--not wrong, just pointless. That's what joshi is and that's what Manami is in particular. The finish itself falls flat too, and that's because of a spectacularly ill-conceived idea to apparently have Manami attempt to perform Kyoko's Victoria Driver/Burning Hammer on her--I don't know who came up with that, but I don't know how they could have expected that to come off. And indeed it doesn't, as Manami just drops Kyoko unconvincingly, pouts for a few seconds, then performs the JOCS to put her away. As a microcosm of this feud and '90s joshi in general, this had all the good and all the warts you'd expect. For better or for worse it's an appropriate way for the decade to go out. We've finished AJPW and now joshi (apparently) for the decade, and as I approach the end of this massive Yearbook project darned if I'm not getting a little nostalgic. About 5 years of Yearbook-viewing later, knowing almost nothing about the product other than who the big names were, I'm starting to fancy myself a bit of a joshi expert. Maybe I've just moved up the rankings of viewer knowledge just because the '90s scene has faded from Internet discussion.
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The Innovation of the Tapout in Pro Wrestling
PeteF3 replied to SomethingSavage's topic in Pro Wrestling
I can confirm that I absolutely read about Terry Taylor being responsible for the tapout in WCW at the time, in the low-level sheet I subscribed to. It had less to do with MMA and more to do with it being the "international sign for submission," convenient with all the international talent in the company--he also wanted more submission finishes in general. I really don't remember "tapping out" being a thing in the WWF until late '97, well after WCW was really pounding it. Did they really say Vader "tapped out" to Shamrock, or did they just call it a submission (regardless of what Vader actually did)? Of course, "tapping out" as a gesture if not a term is about as old as wrestling itself. There's a Lou Thesz-Vic Christy match out there where Christy quite clearly taps to signify a submission, and I'm pretty sure I've read of turn-of-the-century accounts where a submission is signalled in such a way. -
[1999-12-06-WWF-Raw] Big Bossman and Big Show's Mother
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1999
The mother is probably even worse of an actress than some of Mark Henry's sex therapists, but BBM is great. "So--what you're sayin' is your son's a bastard?"