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  1. Randy Savage To answer Some Guy's question from yesterday, I don't know of too many wrestlers I would vote above Savage in this tournament.
  2. Based on matches alone, and Hogan's horrible middle and third run, I'll go with Jericho. If it were on cultural impact, of course you go with Hogan. Chris Jericho
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  7. Owen Hart vs. The Man They Call Vader (Sep. 27, 1997, One Night Only) This match is from the UK PPV ?One Night Only?, the show where HBK defeated the British Bulldog for the European belt. Since Bulldog was an overwhelming face in the main event, the other members of the Hart Foundation play face in their matches, as we see Owen shaking hands with the fans and playing face-in-peril throughout the match. Early on, Vader establishes his dominance by tossing Owen around. The announcers play up the speed vs. strength angle that is commonplace in these types of mismatches. Initially, when they give Owen his shine segment, this match shows great promise. Owen strings together a nice sequence of spots that serve to reinforce the notion that he may be smaller than Vader but he is much smarter. He attempts a sunset flip only to avoid a Vader butt-drop. He attempts a hurracanrana after a teased powerbomb spot and Owen drops Vader right on his head. Finally, Owen gets a flying body press from the 2nd rope that gets a 2 count. This initial sequence shows that Owen could go toe-to-toe with Vader by playing to his strengths and keeping Vader off-guard. The next sequence of events shows Owen failing at capitalizing on his initial flurry of offense. He attempts a Sharpshooter only to fail. He fails to hit a suplex on his much bigger opponent as well as another Sharpshooter. Eventually, he tries a crucifix only to get dropped with Vader?s weight on him. Vader?s control segment is decent as he exhibits some nice power offense such as the elbow drop, a big splash from the 2nd rope, a sternum-first Irish whip into the turnbuckle and a short-arm clothesline. At the same time, another theme begins to play into the match. When Owen gets a small window of opportunity, he attempts to bodyslam Vader ala Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania 3 against Andre the Giant. Like Hogan, Owen fails in the first couple of attempts stretched throughout the match. When he finally pulls it out, you get the feeling that he could really pull out the upset. Unfortunately, after the first bodyslam attempt, the match goes to the mat and it begins to falter. Vader goes for a chinlock, clearly catching a breather as he fails to do anything that resembles working a hold. After a corner splash, Vader applies a Fujiwara armbar and then a knee lock that Jim Ross calls a modified half-Boston crab. In this segment, there is clearly no focus. There is no demonstration of Vader?s brute strength. He doesn?t expand on the leg work or arm work or even the chinlock. All three were used to kill time and it annoyed me throughout the match despite Owen?s best attempts to pull a good match out of the big guy. Later in the match, after another Owen bodyslam attempt, Vader goes back to the knee but it is unclear what his purpose is. Is he trying to keep Owen grounded so he doesn?t use his high-flying arsenal? Was he trying to take advantage of an earlier incident that damaged the leg? Was he setting up his lethal finisher that focuses on the leg? Sadly, the answer to all of these questions is no. I think he just had no idea to fill the time. The ending sequence and babyface comeback is really neat to watch. Owen blocks a Vaderbomb attempt and hits the enziguiri. He locks in the Sharpshooter to a great crowd reaction and follows that up by finally bodyslamming Vader! Owen blocks the corner Vaderbomb by getting the knees up and hits a flying dropkick and a spinning heel-kick to follow-up. This is where the earlier leg work becomes infuriating. Owen just used his legs in several moves and sold no damage from the earlier leg work. This is where it becomes apparent that the matwork was used to kill time. The match ends when Owen goes up to the top and gets caught with a vicious powerslam for the Vader pin. Final Thoughts For the WWF, I don?t know if they had ever attempted a match like this that wasn?t a squash. However, Owen gives the crowd enough hope spots and comebacks to think he has a chance in pulling it off. The opening babyface shine sequence and the end sequence were especially fun to watch. When Vader was dominating the match, it was perfectly acceptable until he took it to the mat. In a mismatch like this, Vader had no business taking it to the ground. HE could have used his brute strength to greater effect or, at the very least, focused on one body part or section. This is the most glaring weakness in a really fun match to watch, if nothing else, for Owen?s performance. As far as monster vs. little guys go, this was perfectly acceptable stuff but I have a feeling it will pale in comparison after I watch Big Show vs. Eddie from Smackdown!
  8. Just curious, but what kind of financial success does Panda energy have? I know absolutely nothing about them.
  9. Fixed.... because that shit threw me off too.
  10. Ok, from the sound of your post, Loss, I thought you had them already. yeah, if the Post Office plays it the way they have been lately, they should be there for both of you. Tomorrow at the latest.
  11. Well, it's good to know you got them in the mail... or did you?
  12. Hey Tim, I am going to move this to match reviews. As for the match, when I get the capability, I hope this is on the send list for me to convert to DVD.
  13. Chris Jericho
  14. I was going to write Mick Foley, without much thought, but then got to thinking... Jericho probably deserves the nod here. Jericho has been put into more situations that buried him than nearly any other wrestler save RVD. Unlike RVD however, I never get the feeling Jericho is phoning it in. JEricho was made second-fiddle to Steph's dog, buried repeatedly by HHH, has to put over nearly every wrestler he has feuded with, yet still remains over and gets better matches out of his opponents than other wrestlers. His feud with the Rock had awesome potential and was becoming feud of the decade before Trips returned from the injury and flushed it down the crapper. Hell, it won Feud of the Year and only was three months into the feud. His interviews can get stale but have been better than most of the roster. When he is allowed to show range,he does it successfully... witness his promos against Steph in the beginning, his chats with Benoit when they were partners and his interplay with the Rock. Lets not forget about the awesome promos when he debuted. Mick Foley is a superstar. Successful book. Made the careers of guys like Undertaker and HHH mean more than they would have without him. Unfrotunately, that is a knock against him. His two opponents that he made basically undermined and helped kill company interest after being elevated by Foley. Foley popularized the garbage style and took insane bumps when he didn;t have to. His match with HBK showed he could have passionate, well-worked matches with a minimal amount of absurdity. His promos were awesome and made you care about his matches but then the actual matches took place and you saw the absurd amounts of punishment he took when he could have been much more effecive putting voer wrestling. He has the ability. Instead we get... Chairshots to the head. Thumbtacks. 15 feet falls. the Nestea Plunge. Foley had too much talent to waste on this type of gimmickry. Too much charisma. So, when we look at matches... most of Foley's well-known matches are his gimmick matches (hardcore, HIAC) when he could have more classics like the HIAC. Jericho has had good-great matches with Benoit, Trips (although I only like the LMS), Rock (which compares to HBK-Foley in quality). He has gotten good matches out of Kane, which I never believed until Loss pointed it out. He has raised the game of mediocre players (Nash, Goldberg, Christian). He has longevity with the company, never embarassed the company (although he himself was embarassed many times) and keeps on keeping on. Chris Jericho
  15. Randy Savage
  16. Randy Savage
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  19. I don't think there is anyway we could do an AJW tournament justice.
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