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OOoh! Another counterpoint: King Kong Bundy Rules!!! Bundy is someone I have really come to enjoy and I want to watch a lot more of in the coming years. I don't think he's a candidate for this project and I think he's maybe the worst of this crew of big super heavyweights. BUt he's in two of my all time favorite matches: The $10,000 Challenge vs Lawler that I ranked as the 25th Greatest Match Ever last year w/ Rick Rude vs Lawler & Savage 9/10/84 that I have as the 48th Greatest match ever. None of the rest of those guys have a match in my top 50, let alone 2. Including Vader. Thats enough to make me want to dig a little deeper.

I have no dog in this fight, but why would it matter if Kenny's had a match in the US as good as Shawn's best? Has Shawn had a match in Japan as good as Omega's?

I've thought probably an inordinate amount about Kevin Von Erich since the start of this project for many of the reasons Sleeze states. I'm going to plan on rewatching and thinking some more. If this was a 100 favorites, Kevin would make it for sure. There are some Kevin singles matches I think highly of but I also think he's a really awesome tag wrestler. Just amazing hot tag where he'd run in and just stiff the bejeezus out of people. I reallly appreciate that uncooperative feel he's able to project. Big fan. Someone to revisit. I could see a world where Fritz, Kerry & Kevin all make my list.

Counter point. This was actually fucking awesome.

There's a great match against Megumi Kudo from 1/16/97 that you can find easily in the usual places.

How was Dustin's TNA run? What about Japan stuff? Dustin is one of the most up and down people ever. Someone needs to put together a mega post career retrospective and highlight the highs and lows and sort of just chart out where he is, what he's doing and whether it's good Dustin or bad Dustin

I really like Hell in a Cell 97 too. And the Foley match.

I think he's one of the obvious big influence guys and if you're weighing influence heavily, Sabu should be a lock. For better or worse. I'm not weighing influence at all, but Sabu makes my list on merit. The point about wanting to see him against anybody is a huge point in his favor and one I agree with. I haven't sat and thought about it specifically, but Sabu might be in my top 10 US workers of the 90s.

You're good! Its good to work through the processes becasue there's a million things to consider and you went from an old curmudgeon like a lot of us last time to a huge fan of new stuff so its interesting to see your thoughts. I got another one for you about a really different wrestler but one that is also in some ways kind of similar... https://forums.prowrestlingonly.com/topic/29664-sabu/?do=findComment&comment=5965439

@El-P branching off from the DYnamite Kid thread in terms of wrestlers influence, what are you thinking about Sabu this time around? I know you were (are still?) a fan last time around based of your ECW rewatch. I think his output is actually pretty damn good and he has a pretty big influence argument.

El-P turning heel on the "self conscious epic" is like Hulk Hogan telling these fans to stick it....

How much importance are you putting on influence when you make your list?

I'm excited to watch that one. Watching this one now and its ok. OJ, I know you're a big fan of the Marty Jones match (or you were at one point), when was the last time you watched the Mark Rocco match.

Is this a positive or negative overall for wrestling?

I really love him in Portland but actually agree that the Assassin is even better. Assassin was the big revelation for me watching the Portland set.

Re-read this thread last night and I was honestly a little surprised to see so many positive comments when I was expecting kind of a blood bath. He finished 78th last time around in between Terry Gordy (79) and Rick Rude (77). I didn't expect him to finish that high, I didnt expect all these nice comments here. Where do people stand on DK in 2021? I thought he looked awesome in Portland. Enough that it makes me kind of intrigued to take a look. Its been forever since I watched Dynamite in any real depth.

I've been really enjoying the AAA stuff I've been revisiting lately for my Fuerza project. I feel like people kinda turned on 93-95 AAA at some point and while I know Im just sampling matches with a lot of their best performers, a lot of these matches are holding up really well for me. Good mixes of storytelling, work and a host of awesome wrestlers. All the usual greats like Fuerza, Santo, Panther, are continuing to look awesome. REally excited for Rey, Psicosis & Juve to start showing up more regularly.

I just loved this stuff at the time. Looking forward to revising it all eventually.

Counter point: What if I keep watching Fuerza Guerrera and then maybe all of the Tully Blanchard?

According to the last poll, PWO prefers Hashimoto to Tsuruta. But what about Hashimoto vs Tenryu?

As the Sheepherders, within the last 5 years as the Bushwackers like as a kid. So its a fair point. edit. @Matt D do I need to revisit the Bushwackers?

I wouldn't want to sift through all the Bastion Booger, Mantaur, Bushwackers, or RUsso era stuff either. No Vince Russo and no HHH in the 80s Just skip the jobber matches or whenever Muraco shows up

I really enjoyed the Waldo Von Erich match. Its super basic and I can imagine not some not liking it but I don't know what the possible criticism would be other than "its too basic." But you don't really get more logical than a match like that. Good stuff. The pop Bruno gets here made me laugh again at all the people who were like "CM Punk return biggest pop ever!" when it doesn't compare to this like average reaction to Bruno. Those NYC crowds were amazing.

I had the Patera Texas Death match pulled up the other day but held off and wanted to ask you for recs before diving in. Glad to hear these are worth checking out! Thanks you all!

Really looking forward to this one!