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Satanico, Negro Casas, Felino vs Averno, Mephisto, Super Crazy 2004 Really short brawling sprint. Ok match. Satanico gets jumped before Felino or Casas make it down but this is really too short to have any real drama. Satanico looks perfectly fine in this. If anyone stood out I would say it was Casas. His running boot to the face is one of my favorite moves in wrestling. Felino is led to the ring by a midget wearing basically a blue chewbacca outfit. So that is something. Satanico, MS-1, Pirata Morgan vs Los Hermanos Dinamita 7/9/93 This was about 20 minutes so it had plenty of time to develop. I liked this match a whole lot. Rudos vs Rudos in a brawling match is definitely speaking my language and these 6 kick the crap out of each other. Most guys bleed which is what you want from a bunch of shit kicking rudos. Cien Caras looked great for his team and Satanico proved to be king of the rudos by taking this match with a low blow. Really fun brawl with a hot crowd. Definitely worth watching.

Satanico, Emilio Charles Jr, Kamala vs Atlantis, El Dandy, Rayo de Jalisco Jr 8/3/91 This was a total blast. Satanico and El Dandy brawl all over and bring the hate. Atlantis looks tremendous in this working with both Satanico and Emilio Charles Jr. Oh and there's freaking Kamala! This is so much fun to see the Kamala interactions with everyone on the technico team but especially El Dandy. Satanico looked awesome in this and the match was really good. Satanico, Canek, Atlantis vs Mephisto, Averno, Dr Wagner Jr 5/28/04 Another really short match. This had a really hot crowd. Canek actually worked a lot of the match. He looked like a freaking zombie whenever he was about to bump or run and then he hit a flying cross body off the top. Go figure. This is ok for what it is. Satanico still bumps around and moves well. He hits his awesome senton off the apron to the floor in this in what was probably the highlight of the match. Half of the video is this match the other half is Vampiro vs Perro Aguyao Jr which I didn't watch because I was pissed. I wanted 10 more minutes of this match. It was pretty fun while it lasted. Satanico, Black Warrior, Villiano III vs Tinieblas Jr, Felino, Negro Casas I thought this was ok. Kind of boring and not really grabbing me early on but by the end it had picked up and became an enjoyable match. Satanico was mostly paired up with Tinieblas Jr who looks like an alien in this because he's so tall compared to everyone. And because he might be an alien. I thought Satanico did a good job with Tinieblas but Casas was the star of the match. Not super memorable but worth watching.

Satanico, Emilio Charles Jr, Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas, Mr Niebla, Shocker Short match but pretty fun. This is really about Santo vs Casas so it is good. Satanico probably works less than 4 minutes total in this match. He does look good as a base for Niebla and Shocker to work flashy spots around. He's mostly a background player in this match until the end when he and Emilio Charles turn on each other and start brawling while Santo gets tripled teamed. The Satanico/Charles brawling part was probably the most fun part of the match. Santo and Casas had a pretty awkward moment at the end of the first fall believe it or not. Satanico, Bestia Salvaje, Scorpio Jr vs Lizmark, Brazo de Oro, Felino 10/11/97 Another short match. Not really good or memorable honestly. Unless you want to watch Bestia Salvaje spent an entire match trying to bite off Lizmark's nipple, I would avoid this. Satanico vs Satoru Sayama 10/10/97 This was so much better than I expected it to be. Satanico does a great job selling all of Sayama's flashy kicks. He has a nice section where he cheats to dominate Sayama early on (even hitting his awesome apron to the floor senton on Sayama) before the inevitable Sayama shrug off and no sell. Even after that, Satanico does such a good job of selling Sayama's offense and getting in a few hope spots here and there that this is a fun watch. This is another short match, like 6 or 7 minutes and it is not great. But it was so much better than I figured it would be considering it is a Sayama match.

Awesome. I have so many sets I need to pick up from you soon.

Will, is that match online anywhere by chance?

I've put together a list of Satanico matches on youtube excluding the one's already linked to and talked about in this thread. I figure it'll make things easier for me as I go through this. It is around 60+matches. It is possible there are more matches out there but if so, they're hard to find. If anyone wants to go on a Satanico watching binge let me know and I will forward the list to them. I know there are more Satanico matches out there, especially from the 80s. I can't find complete footage of the 80s matches against Atlantis, Lizmark, Koshinaka, and Super Astro on youtube. There are also some trios missing that made the 80s set. There are long singles matches and obviously a ton of trios matches. Most of these videos look like they're 20+minutes. So I've got some Satanico to watch.

He's looked great in the AAA trios matches I've watched in the Satanico thread. There is a long La Parka vs Psicosis match from 12/19/95 Promo Azteca on youtube that was so disappointing. Psicosis dominated most of the first two falls and it just wasn't very interesting. A lot of emphasis on the second's and the biggest pop of the match was probably referee shennanigans. I figured if nothing else this would be a really wild and exciting all over the place brawl with both guys hitting crazy dives and taking insane bumps. And really it had all of that but it just felt way too long. When I finish watching all the Satanico stuff I can I'm planning on looking at La Parka and Black Terry and hopefully I'll find some cool stuff. Like I said though, he really shines in the trios matches I watched.

Satanico/Estrada/Parka vs Lizmark/Octagon/Mascara Sagrada 6/11/93 I was really digging this match and then there's just an out of nowhere low blow finish really quickly into the third fall. After being dominated in the first fall in the prior match, the rudo's jump the technico's to start this and we get some really intense brawling. Eventually the technico's fight back and the first fall is really spectacular. Satanico vs Octagon is the focal point of this match and it is great. Satanico eats all of Octagon's spots beautifully in the first fall. Everything looks great. 2nd fall, Satanico has had enough of this shit and he brings the pain to Octagon. He's dragging Octagon around by that tassle, tying him up in the ropes and punching him in the face. The ref tries to untie Octagon so Satanico slaps his hand a few times. Eventually Octagon is freed but Satanico just continues to drag him around beating the crap out of him. 3rd fall was going well and then boom it's over. That was frustrating but this was the sort of trios match I was hoping to find. Satanico gets a lot of time with a limited but flashy worker and makes him look great and when the time comes to take over, Satanico is tremendous dominating his weakened opponent. La Parka was also terrific in this. Even in a limited role he can't help but shine. Also wanted to say the crowd is going crazy this whole match. Definite recommendation. Man, talk about a rudo dream team I found Satanico/La Park/Fuerza Guerrera vs Lizmark/Mascara Sagrada/Volador 2/15/94 The opening segment with Satanico vs Lizmark was very interesting. They were working holds but really struggling and and working slowly (not at all in a bad way) for reversals. Not something you see a whole lot of in lucha. Especially not the very beginning of the match. Next time they meet in the first fall they're back to running the ropes working really fast and thats also good. There's a point where Satanico fakes getting hit in the nuts, then La Parka comes in and does the same and then Fuerza comes in and I'm just waiting for him to take a backdrop and point to his groin or something but it never happens. I feel robbed. Fuerza and La Parka interacting with each other as teammates is a wonderful thing though so I don't feel too robbed. Satanico is very good again here but I think Parka and Fuerza were pretty clearly the more interesting workers in this. If someone wants to go through all of the La Parka trios matches like I'm doing for Satanico, this would be a great example of La Parka looking like a great worker in 1994.

I am going to make sure to watch pretty much every match in this note, that included. Glad you liked the AAA trios. I went nuts for the masks reversal. That was so great. I also loved the spot where Santo leaps up on Psicosis' shoulders as though he's going to go for a victory roll, Satanico charges to break it up and so Santo hits Satanico with a sunset flip from a seated position off of Psicosis. Really neat spot that looked really fluid in spite of some obvious trainwreck potential. The finish of that last match I watched when Satanico rips the mask off of a flying Octagon is really awesome. Incredible timing to pull it off.

Dang, no worries. The Estrada match is online. I know I've read before that you didn't like it and blamed Estrada, but I'm still intrigued by that to see what Estrada does and what Satanico does with an opponent having a crappy performance. There's a Satanico vs Estrada vs Pirata match from 93 that I'm going to watch as well. Looking at the yearbook threads, I know you're down on the Lizmark matches as well but they are still long Satanico singles matches, so I'm cautiously excited. Maybe the Perro vs Satanico match from 94 will resurface one day. That would have been a dream match for me circa 1985. Even with all the gaps in footage and no footage before 83, there is actually a good deal of Satanico out there from a long period of time where he's playing multiple roles. Plus I haven't even gotten to the truly great stuff. Thanks for all the recommendations and guidance!

Watched the Satanico/Psicosis/La Parka vs Santo/Angel Azteca/Super Mueco trios match Matt and OJ suggested I watch. This was so entertaining. The exact kind of trios match from AAA I'm hoping to come across. Satanico gets some time to work with each of the technicos and in the rudo dominated 2nd fall, he directs traffic. Making sure Parka and Psicosis are double teaming each technico. The first fall was more straightforward with really nice technico dominated chain wrestling. La Parka is so good in this too bringing the comedy one minute and then trying to pick a fight with a fan the next. 3rd fall has some shennanigans with Tirantes eating a few spots and Parka and Azteca actually end up wearing each other's masks. Satanico looked really good here. It would be easy for him to disappear next to guys like Psicosis and La Parka who are such exciting, dynamic, "look at me!" workers. But he brings a lot of the structure here as the elder statesman of the team. Very very fun match. Good find, guys. Also watched Satanico/La Parka/Jerry Estrada vs Lizmark/Octagon/Mascara Sagrada from 6/4//93 This had some really enjoyable moments but fell short of being great. The Lizmark/Estrada pairing was very good. I don't have any sort of opinion on Mascara Sagrada. He hit a really nice tope in this, at one point after the crotch shot when he was laying motionless on the ring I thought he looked like a mannequin, and I know his mini is awesome. Other than that, no clue. I thought Satanico worked really well putting over Octagon and Sagrada. After the technico dominated 1st fall, Satanico decides he needs to make something happen; so he takes that stupid tassel of Octagon's and ties it to the top rope to beat on him. Then later, he takes Octagon's belt and tries to hang him from the top rope. One of the refs tries to stop him so Satanico just ties him to the rope as well which was phenomenal. Finish was pretty spectacular when Octagon is going for a tope in the ring and Satanico just snatches his mask off in mid air. This was yet another good performance from Satanico. It looks like there's a rematch the following week that I will watch here soon.

I haven't watched the Pirata match yet. I'm kind of saving it because I have really high expectations for that and I want to watch as many trios matches as I can before jumping into the singles matches. Pirata is another guy I want to watch as much as I can though. I watched the two matches Matt linked earlier and will definitely add that 6 man against Santo, Azteca and Super Muneco to my list of stuff to watch. I'm pretty much going into the AAA trios matches expecting to be disappointed honestly. What I'm really hoping to find are trios matches where he is the focal point of his team and if not I'm at least looking for sequences with other guys where he can come in and shine. Even if the matches aren't built around him, I have hopes that he'll still look good. I'm interested in the Lizmark matches from 92 and 93 as well. Excluding the El Dandy matches from 90 and 91, what other singles matches should I look out for? I also agree with Matt about the Satanico/Parka/Psicosis team. There's a ton of potential there. Matt, you should watch that Infierno en el Ring match too.

Watched Satanico/La Parka/Psicosis vs Hijo del Santo/Konnan/Angel Azteca from 2/11/94 AAA as the beginning of my trek through random 90s Satanico matches Starts off with pretty aimless brawling in the first fall. A lot of stuff but there's not really any focus to it. Satanico does a good job of putting himself in position to look foolish and get the technicos over. Its not Fuerza level stuff but it's solid. At one point the rudo mistakes lead to some infighting between Satanico/Parka/Psicosis. I seem to recall Parka often having issues with tag team partners in AAA. In spite of the aimlessness and infighting, La Parka alreay looks like a really exciting worker. At one point Konnan completely blows a leap frog. What the hell Konnan? He does a fun spot with Psicosis where Konnan is standing near the ropes and Psicosis runs at him and goes for a monkey flip, but Konnan is too strong and he just holds onto Psicosis before dumping him over the top rope. Pretty basic strength spot but well done considering they blew a leap frog 10 seconds before it. There's a little more Satanico/Parka pushing and shoving which leads to the technicos taking them out with enormous dives from Santo. Really exciting little stretch. The 3rd fall was pretty hot with Santo hitting some beautiful spots. I think Satanico looked good in this even if he wasn't really the featured player. La Parka was the focal point of the rudo team. There was some parts I really liked as the match progressed but the first fall brawling felt really aimless. I was really hoping for more Santo vs Satanico action here but we didn't get much of it. Worth watching but not a great match.

Today so far I've watched Satanico and Solar vs Blue Panther and Negro Navarro from 3/5/11. I thought this was a very good and a very fun match. Satanico looks really good against both Panther and Navarro. 4 dudes taking it to the mat and it rocks. Solar really impressed me in this match and I should go over to the Navarro thread and get some recommendations. This had more of an exhibition feel to it than anything. Just a ton of chain wrestling and exchanging of holds. But these guys are really great at it. This is over in 2 straight falls but it does get some time. Again for a 61 year old guy, Satanico looks really good, but I think I'm going to start looking at stuff from the 90s. If anyone comes across anything else that looks interesting from 2000 and on Satanico, please pass it along as I'd be happy to watch it. Some of this stuff is a lot of fun and it is interesting to see him work as a 60+year old, but I want to check out his work from his 40s.

I actually started a response to Loss's "what skillsets and experiences do you value" post but it was late and I kept jumping around. I was going to bring up Hansen, Vader, and Volk Han in that post. I will say I think Stan Hansen is a more versatile wrestler than you might expect. People look at him and think "brawler" but he did so much within that style. The Backlund matches don't look like the Baba matches which don't look like the Funk matches which don't look like Colon matches which don't look like the Tenryu matches etc. I'm not going to say the Inoki matches were great mat wrestling classics, I did not like them. But I think as a brawler, Hansen showed really tremendous range. He could have wild crazy brawls all over the arena, monster spectacles, etc. But when the change in style came to All Japan, Hansen was more than able to keep up the pace inspite of the fact that he was making the push to his mid 40s. I wouldn't vote for Hansen #1 if not for the early 90s All Japan stuff. I think thats where you really see his range especially if you're familiar with his 80s work.

Satanico vs Damian 666 Hair vs Hair no date on the video but I looked at luchawiki and I'm guessing this is the 2/25/2010 match I didn't look up the date before I watched this. So I didn't realize till after the fact that Satanico was 60 in this. He still bumps and moves around the ring well for a guy that old. This isn't a particularly memorable or even good match. Its a one fall, shortish hair match. You would think a hair match with Satanico and Damian 666 would be a bloodbath. But this was not that. This is worth watching because it is a Satanico match. But realistically, it is a 60 year old vs a past his prime dude who was limited to begin with. Satanico, Negro Navarro, and Black Terry vs Blue Panther, Solar, and Super Astro 11/17/2013 This on the other hand is fucking awesome. Satanico doesn't look as good as Navarro, Terry or Panther in this, but he holds his own in spite of being old as fuck. This is just 5 awesome vets ripping it up on the mat and Super Astro looking like a goddamn idiot trying to hit all the same spots he was doing in 1984. Definitely a match worth watching not because Satanico is in it, but because it is a good match.

I also watched Satanico, Pirata Morgan, Pierroth Jr and Dick Togo vs Negro Casas, Ultimo Guerrero, Ricky Marvin and Super Parka from CMLL Japan 11/25/99 tonight This was kinda disappointing when you look at that list of names. Very exhibition-y feel to it. Not a ton of crowd heat except for the big spots and the finish seemed to come out of nowhere with the crowd barely reacting. But there was some good stuff in this. Satanico and Casas pair off and bring some really nice chain wrestling. Dick Togo is great at standing out 6, 8, and 10 man tags and he looks very good here. Ricky Marvin takes some crazy bumps and hits some really spectacular high flying moves. Pirata Morgan does a little bit of everything and works as a base for Marvin's spots. Pierroth Jr hits a lot of power moves but otherwise stays out of the way which is good. Super Parka brings some comedy and big spots. Ultimo Guerrero was in the match Pirata Morgan probably looked the best overall of anyone in this because he brings a ton to the table in this but the Satanico/Casas chain wrestling matchup is very good. I would also like to add that there is a fucking awesome spot where Marvin dives over the top and is caught by Satanico, Pirata and Togo. Then Negro Casas tries a plancha but they catch him too. Finally Ultimo Guerrero dives onto the pile from the top rope finally taking out Satanico, Pirata and Togo. I've never seen that spot before and it was a really nice change of pace from the "dive, wait for everyone to get up, another dive, wait for everyone to get up, another dive" formula these matches often take. I don't know whose idea it was to say "fuck it lets just catch and hold the first two" but kudos to them for a really entertaining spot.

I watched the Satanico and Averno vs Ultimo Guerrero and Rey Bucanero match I posted earlier. It was a short, all out brawl. I don't think it was great, but its the sort of match that would look really good in the context of a blood feud. Satanico is excellent at selling a beating and garnering sympathy while still being a tough guy going toe to toe with the young guns. Satanico does the spot where he lays on top of Averno to protect him from getting stomped on by the heels which i really like considering how the Infierno en el Ring match turns out. Satanico was again the star of this match with his selling and hope spots. Another good match and good performance. I also watched Satanico, Averno and Mephisto vs Negro Casas, Atlantis and Blue Demon Jr from 2001 This is another short match that is just a backdrop for the Infernales vs Infernales feud. Casas starts for his team and you're thinking "let Satanico start for this team!" but alas it was Averno. This was a more straightforward match in the first fall. Satanico and Atlantis pair off and have the longest uninterrupted stretch of the match. Really nice chain wrestling from the two vets. The technicos take the first fall and so Satanico's team decide to take some liberties double and triple teaming the technicos in the 2nd fall. Atlantis actually makes a really nice firey comeback but before you know it you see Tarzan Boy, Ultimo Guerrero and Rey Bucanerno out there brawling with Satanico, Averno and Mephisto which allows the technicos to take two straight falls. As the Nuevo Infernales continue to beat up on the Infernales, Atlantis is getting ready to leave but Negro Casas and Blue Demon (but mostly Casas) stop him like "dude, there's a fight right there lets go kick some rudo ass!" So they join the fight against the Nuevos Infernales. Again too short to be a great match and was really more of an angle than a match. But worth watching in the context of the feud and if nothing else the Satanico vs Atlantis match up was still great. I also watched Satanico, Atlantis, and Shocker vs Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero and Tarzan Boy from 2002 This was an all out workrate sprint. This was more about Shocker than Satanico and Atlantis and Shocker looked really fucking good. Another short match that is worth watching. Like I said, its more about Shocker, so I wouldn't point to this as something for Satanico's case but I watched it because he was in it. He does have one really good segment where he's bumping all over the place and hitting arm drags and flying headscissors. He also hits a crazy top rope to the floor dive. I also watched Satanico, Shocker, and Black Warrior vs Ultimo Guerrero, Bestia Salvaje, and Emilio Charles Jr no date but It looks to be around this same 2001-2002 time period. This is probably my least favorite of the matches I've watched so far. It has some good moments with Satanico and Ultimo Guerrero brawling around and a pretty cool spot where Shocker drags Salvaje over to the first row, sticks his leg inbetween one of the folding chairs and starts kicking it over and over again. Overall this was a pretty aimless brawl. I wanted to link it and mention it a little just to kinda show that I don't love all of these matches even if it might seem that way I will note that there's a fun moment in the 3rd fall where Satanico "drops the strap" Jerry Lawler style and goes toe to toe with Guerrero.

I watched Satanico vs Tarzan Boy Hair vs Hair from 2/25/2000. Part 1 Part 2 I thought it was good, maybe even very good at times, but its definitely not a classic Satanico singles match. I don't remember a lot about Tarzan Boy but he seems like a really limited worker. Most of his spots are based around athleticism and being able to jump really high on dropkicks and clotheslines. Satanico brings the structure to the match and looks really good eating all of Tarzan Boy's big spots. This is too short to be a great Hair vs Hair match and definitely lacks the blood and brutality of a lot of the really great hair/mask matches. But I think its definitely worth watching to see what 50 year old Satanico is bringing to the table in a big singles match against a younger more limited worker. I also watched Satanico vs El Dandy from 2/9/14 This was a pretty impressive match considering the combined age of 115. They keep it on the mat mostly and didn't try to do anything too crazy. Although El Dandy does take a sick upside down bump into the stands. Satanico does some fun "Here take a free shot, look my hands are behind my back" spots. I gotta be honest I watched this totally expecting to be depressed and full of regret but this is very much worth watching in the context of "Holy crap Satanico is 64 years old!"

The first time I saw Satanico I think was the match from the March 2001 PPV with Shocker and Black Warrior vs Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero and Tarzan Boy. Around this time I started getting almost all of the weekly CMLL and was heavily invested in the Infernales vs Infernales feud and Satanico was my absolute favorite wrestler in 2001. That was also the feud that helped push him into the WON HOF after being overlooked. Very little of it appears to be on youtube unfortunately. Satanico and Averno vs Ultimo Guerrero and Rey Bucanero Satanico, Shocker, and Brazo de Plata vs Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, and Mephisto Infierno en el Ring 2001 Satanico, Averno, Mephisto vs Ultimo Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Tarzan Boy, and Mascara Magica part 1 part 2 part 3 I remember talking about this back in 2001 as a MOTYC with the best story telling of any match all year. Basically an escape the cage elimination match with the last two guys in the ring putting their mask/hair on the line. The VQ on the youtube videos here would be comprable to my old VHS tape of the show Ok, I wasn't going to watch the Infierno en El Ring match tonight and then I did... For some reason I always loved the intros to this match. This starts with the Nuevos Infernales all in the ring and getting Satanico inside by himself. Satanico is double and triple teamed as Averno and Mephisto are kept out of the cage. Eventually they get into the match to an enormous pop and the Stanico Infernales take control. Eventually the numbers game catches up and the Nuevos Infernales take back over. There is a lot happening in this match with 7 guys all brawling inside a cage at the same time. So its easy to hide in a match like this. But Satanico is the focal point of his team and manages to stand out with sympathetic selling and firey ass kicking come backs. I love the spot where he's just relentlessly headbutting Tarzan Boy's arm when they're tangled up on the ground. So Tarzan Boy escapes first and as he's doing it his teammates are trying to grab him and pull him back in to stop him from escaping. But Tarzan Boy is like "Hahaha, fuck you guys. I'm not getting my head shaved. Good luck with the 3 on 3." Meanwhile the crowd is going nuts. The match appears to be a little clipped actually as we miss Bucanero escaping the cage. Averno gets his mask tied to the rope and gets beat down by Magica and Guerrero before they both attempt to escape the cage. So Satanico has to try and stop both of them from escaping on either side of the cage while also trying to free Averno. Eventually Averno gets free but the damage has been done. Guerrero escapes the cage which gives Satanico an opening to do the same. But as Satanico beings to climb he sees Averno getting his ass handed to him by Mascara Magica. Satanico is waving for Averno to come on while still climbing. Eventually Magica goes to escape and Averno is too beaten down to do anything. So Satanico jumps down off the cage, runs across the ring to stop Magica and save Averno's mask. Satanico helps hold off Magica while Averno makes his escape. A lot more clipping during the Satanico vs Magica finish unfortunately. I don't remember this being a 40 minute long match so I don't think we lost a ton of the match. The finish starts with Magica throwing everything he can at Satanico. Big moves, cheating putting his feet on the ropes, etc but can't put away Satanico. Eventually Satanico makes his big comeback and looks really good. Crowd goes fucking beserk at the finish. I liked the match a lot. Like I said, there was a lot going on in the match with 7 guys in the ring to start it would be really easy to hide. But focusing on Satanico's performance, I think he looked very good and was really the key to keeping the crowd going nuts. I thought the booking and match layout was pretty tremendous in this.

Wow that is a fucking awesome match! Park has some of the best highspots in wrestling and he does a really good job of setting up Ultimo Guerrero to hit his spots in this. This had some really spectacular moments in it. Great great great match. Really awesome to see a title match of this caliber after the two brawls I watched earlier.

What's the earliest Satanico match out there? He was great the first time he shows up on the Lucha 80s set. Is there anything from before the 9/30/83 six man tag? OJ, what are your thoughts on his run in the early 2000s? I remember really liking that run at the time and want to revist it. I need to fill some gaps from the 90s as well as looking at the early 2000s again, but he is definitely someone I'm strongly considering for #1 based on the 80s set and the matches I've seen from the 90s. If his early 2000s holds up at all it might push him over the top.

Watched the 5/11/13 match vs Dr Wagner Jr from TXT that OJ recommended. I haven't seen any of the matches in their feud I just know that its a major feud and to hope for a mask vs mask match one day for the sake of the world. Well now I will go back and watch every singles and 6 man these guys have been involved in. This was a tremendous match. The match starts with Park posing behind a chair that has a flaming Dr Wagner Jr T-Shirt on it and I'm instantly in love with the match. Park kicks Wagner Jr's ass all over the arena. Bloodying him with chairs and eventually taking the fall. 2nd Fall starts with more of the same; Park kicking the crap out of Wagner Jr. Finally Park makes a mistake and Wagner Jr hits a big counter move (spear through a bunch of chairs) that would typically be the finish in a lo to of 2nd fall lucha matches. But Wagner Jr continues to kick the shit out of Park in a long 2nd fall. Park is a bloody mess going into the 3rd fall with his mask ripped to all hell. 3rd Fall is excellent with both guys pushing each other to the limit, hitting big moves with bloody faces and ripped masks. I would highly recommend this to people who like brawling, ecw style matches. Also watched LA Park vs El Mesias from 12/11/10 (I think, no date on the youtube links but it said Guerra de Titanes 2010 so correct me if i'm wrong) and that was also great. Another brawl but more fast paced in the ring brawling than the crazy all over the place Wagner Jr match. I'd never seen Mesias before and he looked really good. He hit some terrific dives and really pushed Park to the limit. Park is bleeding with a ripped mask by the end of this and just can't figure out a way to beat Mesias so he kicks him in the nuts and beats the crap out of him with a chair. Really looking forward to the mask vs hair match. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Damn, I tried to watch the Mask vs Hair match with Mesias but the youtube video keeps stopping/skipping. Can't seem to find it on dailymotion either. OJ, whats the date on the Ultimo Guerrero match? Is it 9/17? I watched the El Dandy match but I was pretty disappointed by it. I've been watching the El Dandy set recently and I'm literally right in the middle of the Angel Azteca feud. It was a pretty big shock to jump from that to old man El Dandy. I was impressed by Park in the match though. I will rewatch the match when I get to it on the Dandy set and maybe I'll have a higher opinion of it. Or at least my expectations will be more realistic. I must say I loved the Wagner Jr and first Mesias match I watched. Great stuff.

I remember really liking the Don Leo Jonathon match. Its not at the level of the Baba or Mil matches. The Stan Hansen match from 75 is good. That one is cool to see Destroyer working with a less experienced guy. And Hansen's hair in that match is ridiculous. I really liked the Horst Hoffman match but it was a little on the short side as I recall. Isn't there a 3rd match with Mil from 77 that wasn't quite as good? And an Abdullah match. I can't remember if there was anything else on the Best of Destroyer tapes I had made 13 years ago. Its not a ton of footage obviously but there are some long matches and Destroyer does a lot of different stuff in each match. He's someone I'm going to revisit and probably end up ranking really high. Everyone needs to see the 60min draw with Baba.

Brody was really good at tagging out and letting Stan Hansen come in and wrestle. Probably like the 37th best guy who ever tagged out to Hansen.