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Piper was a big hit to them for sure.

Angelo Mosca took over the book after Dory and he was the one that pushed his son over all the top heels except Dick Slater because Slater was protected for Flair. In a funny move, Mosca then went back to Florida from June-August 1984 after Dusty left before then going to WWF in September. Mosca Jr. stayed in JCP oddly throughout until finally following dad. I think a key part of JCP TV being down from 83 to 84 was that Flair wasn't around as much after beating Race plus they were pushing the wrong guys especially as babyfaces. Dory & Valentine turned then you had Moscas, Rufus, & Valiant as the other top regular faces plus you had Steamer retiring for a while and no one was catching on as a face. Wahoo & Junkyard Dog would come in and the Youngbloods were still there but the booking just wasn't there.

JCP was in a down period before Dusty took over in the late summer of 1984 here is an example of a card before Dusty took over. JCP @ Greenville, SC – Memorial Auditorium – June 11, 1984 Mark Fleming d. Kurt Von Hess Sam Houston d. Doug Vines Kamala d. Gary Quartenelii The Assassin & Paul Jones d. Rufus R. Jones & Jimmy Valiant by DQ Don Kernodle & Ivan Koloff d. Renegade & Mark Youngblood Buck Robley took the book from Dusty after he left but he didn't last too long and I'm not quite sure who replaced him but I think it ended up being Mike Graham. Eddie Graham had some bad business issues outside of wrestling especially in real estate and Blackjack Mulligan is positive that Eddie was murdered in a hired hit. Mike took over as owner and they would have some good talent come through with Wahoo doing some booking throughout 1985 that was fine but it wasn't the glory days. Kevin Sullivan came back in the fall of 1985 then Lex Luger exploded which was the last good business run in Florida. The talent kept getting worse and worse where you had cards like this in a 4 year span. CWF @ Tampa, FL – Sundome – December 6, 1983 Anthony Charles d. Mr. Olympia Sam Houston d. Mike Fever Florida Jr. Heavyweight Title: Hector Guerrero d. Denny Brown © Mike Davis & Mike Graham d. The Zambuie Express by DQ Mike Rotundo d. Kendo Nagasaki by DQ US Tag Titles: Blackjack Mulligan & Dusty Rhodes © d. Ron Bass & One Man Gang by DQ CWF @ Tampa, FL – Spartan Sports Center – December 4, 1984 King Cobra d. Angelo Mosca Jr. Mike Graham d. Madd Maxx Koko Ware d. Jay Youngblood Brian Blair d. Jesse Barr US Tag Titles: Krusher Khruschev & Jim Neidhart d. Sweet Brown Sugar & Pez Whatley © Street Fight: Dutch Mantell d. The Saint CWF @ Tampa, FL - Spartan Sports Complex - December 10, 1985 Frank Lang d. Jack Hart Hector Guerrero & Tyree Pride d. Cuban Assassin & Rip Oliver Ron Slinker & Kevin Sullivan d. Mike Graham & Kendall Windham Lumberjack: Wahoo McDaniel d. Maya Singh Southern Heavyweight Title: Barry Windham d. Lex Luger © by DQ Steel Cage: Blackjack Mulligan d. Mark Lewin CWF @ Tampa, FL – Spartan Sports Complex – December 2, 1986 Brickhouse Brown vs. Jerry Grey Bob Cook vs. Mark Starr Dewey Forte vs. Sir Oliver Humperdink Bahamas Heavyweight Title: The Falcon © vs. Sean Royal Dewey Forte & Ron Simmons vs. The Sheepherders Bad News Allen vs. Kendall Windham The Fabulous Ones vs. Ed Gantner & Hacksaw Higgins 2 out of 3 falls: Lex Luger vs. Mr. Kareem Muhammad Look at the difference in your lead heels there. Telling signs.

We never agree on anything, but I said the same thing to someone not an hour ago It is so true. Blame Russo

Going into the match Lawler beat Miz everytime they wrestled. Booking 101 says Miz gets his win back at the PPV. They kept it simple and Miz needs clean wins going into Mania.

This is phenomenal

Jerry Stubbs is one of my all-time favs and one of the most underrated ever for sure. Whenever we do the Alabama/Continental set he will be prominently featured. I wish Jackson would've worked more in Continental because when he got TV matches he got time, but he was okay as the ring announcer.

I think what killed them is when they started getting mic time and they mostly bombed.

That won because that was a big talking point on all the WON shows for the month it was going on. Just that simple.

Dave Lagana is currently tripping me out on Twitter and this is a running commentary for the night I guess so I'll edit in when needed.

Taker/Trips is actually a fresh match if you think about it as they haven't done a program in over 8 years.

Arena Naucalpan is like 2,800 at full capacity which IWRG doesn't sellout a whole lot but they do pretty good for twice a week.

IWRG has weekly TV and they run every week so they are the defacto #3 in Mexico and it doesn't hurt that they put on the best in-ring work.

The snarkiness level on last night's WOR regarding RAW was out of this world. Dave Lagana loved the show and he is usually very snarky regarding it so this was something else.

The thing is who really knows what's going on behind the scenes. They may want to have the contact with Sting be as quiet as possible and I'm sure they weren't happy with the news of Booker T & Nash being at the Rumble so they I'm sure they want a Sting appearance to be as quiet as the Cena Rumble at MSG appearance.

Chico on Rashad Evans getting injured and being pulled out of the Shogun fight with Jon Jones being put in.

The clip also made Around the Horn today

The only time the schedule is moved around is when flex scheduling kicks in for the last month of the season so NBC can change their game but even then FOX & CBS gets to keep one game a piece before NBC can pick and ESPN is already locked for MNF so that can't change at all. You can't tell what teams are going to do each year so you can have games between teams that were great one year then end up being like 5-8 and 6-7 going into MNF on Week 15 leaving ESPN holding the bag.

Bill Simmons & Tony Reali posting the Osirian Portal clip numerous times on Twitter was awesome.

Dave giving that diatribe Wednesday on WOR was fantastic. I loved the part where he basically whined about how NFL, NBA, MLB, et al book just like UFC but UFC gets crapped on because by MMA fans for being "too much pro wrestling."

You came in at the tail end of that run. 2002-03 was like the wild west among the puro smarks online.

The otaku/Japanese culture aspect was plenty prevalent 3, 5 or 7 years ago when Dragon Gate and Toryumon got way less play. I don't think that's a factor. For reference: Dragon Gate's top finishing matches in the Purotopia 2009 vote were 48th and 50th place. That doesn't include DGUSA, but still, that's essentially no support. And heck, the top DG match on Alan's ballot was 7th place. I meant the '90s, not earlier in the aughts. Earlier in the aughts you had the weird period where the biggest western Japanese wrestling fan sites were WAY worse than the current crop of fans. The NJPW superfans would desperately make fun of Noah, referring to it as "NOWAAAAAAA" because they said its fans were crybabies for some reason. The guy who ran the Toryumon site had a legitimate emotional crisis when the split happened that gave us Dragon Gate. He also made bizarre statements about how he was completely straight, but would have sex with Taiji Ishimori if he had the chance. I believe that the guy who ran the NJPW site made similar comments about Hiroshi Tanahashi. Then the guy who ran the Toryumon/DG site tried to claim he was a girl and started writing everything like a "Japanese girl" in a way that makes Japanese girls seem like mentally disabled valley girls who wrote badly translated Japanese to English love letters. Those were the days and let's not forget the joshi fans. GUREDI

I still remember me being 7 years old being shocked that Hogan vs. Orton was on Superstars.

How is anyone going to vote for Superstars as Best TV Show when neither Bryan or Dave watch it and dismiss it publicly as jobber TV.

The thing about the MMA portion is that he talks about the big boxing matches in the other MMA section in the WON but never says that boxing is eligible in the awards voting. I think that could affect the MMA awards greatly if they were made eligible.