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A nice disclaimer would be nice, just so I know what I am getting into it. I really hate thinking I am getting a match and it's a clip instead.

Yeah, why watch someone if there is a lot of footage of them? No way they can be good.

The WP on her was freaking great and she keeps adding to her case with great matches this year and amazing performances almost every match out. Really a strong candidate. I love her as an ace working younger workers.

The bar was 3 full matches. Do you really think that is unreasonable if you are going to rank a wrestler in a list who is the greatest?

Cool. 1/4 of a match is not enough to tell if they can do that or not.

Exactly! For some reason though I suspect when there is saved footage of folks, it's generally their best.

If I limited Low Ki down to that much footage there is no question they are the #1 in GWE no questions asked. Obviously they are not and wont' even make my list. That small of a sample to base on is very odd.

Thank you, love to see this list used. Makes an interesting case for them.

I honestly think if Orton went to NJPW or AEW he'd be considered among the all time greats. However, we have what we have and I can't enjoy him based on that.

We are supposed to be voting this based on footage and let's be honest there is so many wrestlers I would never consider for the top 100 that if I removed their footage down to these bare minimums they could easily be my #1. The only criteria is based on footage and 3 full matches is like the lowest bar their could be and you want it even lower? What's next? Voting on people based on what people wrote about them in books? I love your passion. I love how you invested into these people. However voting on them as some of the greatest wrestlers ever when we have like 0.01% of their career on tape and not even full matches seems utterly bizarre. You have to also know the best footage was saved not the worst footage. If you have 18 minutes of an 80 minute match that's most likely the best 18 minutes not the worst. For all you know there is like 60 minutes of rest holds on top of that where nothing happens, yet you are using your imagination to fill in the gaps.

Elliott and I debated this for awhile and I think it's an amazing starting point of discussions. I would love for people to post some of these in threads making their arguments,

I thought the requirement was to recommend three matches. I guess I didn't explicit state it, but 3 FULL matches. Was that bypassed for Londos?

Okay, maybe we don't need to muddle the waters I thought it was a fun idea, but maybe that's something entirely different.

I LOVED this match. You can call it the Eagle Sawai revenge for Dream Slam match and it's a thing of beauty. She goes after Kong the whole match and clearly is upset for the previous match. While Kyoko Inoue sees Leo Kitamura (someone who is clearly doing a Kyoko ripoff gimmick) and she proceeds to try to murder her. The crowd is insane due to interpromotional nature and it's fun to see the LLPW be the babyface heros! I went 9/10 and it's a must watch match!

If you think they are awesome, yeah why not?

So... based on this thread this is what it sounds like. Normal GWE voting 100, but maybe raising the 3 full match recs up to 5-10 to be on that list. Other GWE voting 25, that one you can vote for any even if they are clips, but also people like Ernie Ladd who we have a bunch of matches of, but not really their prime, so it's more of a hunch list. That would be my proposal. Other list has a lot of French, 70s, just folks who we are missing most of their career. So yeah, someone like Bockwinkel will obviously do well on GWE, but would do better on the other list because we are missing his prime, so could be ranked on both? Is this is the vibe I'm picking up here?

That's the separate list I was thinking about.

Yeah Hans may be a bad example, didn't realize there was that much. The threeshold is something I'm not sure where to draw the line. Hodge and Valentine would be good bets for sure, Jackie Fargo too. It's so weird we have a lot of 50s, but less 70s. My idea would be the people we don't have enough footage of to really know how to place and we have to use extrapolation. What that number is, not sure. I would love those folks to get their dues though. We could have a floating target, like a percentage of their matches on tape or something. That's a line that would need to be discussed and figured out, but I think the idea in principal is good.

GWE greatest wrestler in ring based on footage. HGWE greatest wrestler in ring not based on footage. That work? I see a lot of hype for the French folks, but then I find out there is like 7 matches on tape of their entire career. That's not enough to really vote for the, but if we separate them out then we are in awesome town of having debates and discussions! El Santo, Hans Schmidt, whoever. I think it's fun and may be more productive. Would love to hear from the @ohtani's jacket and co. who are the heroes of lack of footage wrestlers.

I would think we'd atleast need clips to have an idea of their in ring work. I guess if people wrote about Lincoln's in ring skills he'd count, but I don't know about that. This is the feeling out/planning thread.

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I would love to vote El Santo or Hans Schmidt for GWE, but I can't do that based on what we have and it being based on footage. Could be a good way to hit that itch.

There seems to be a bunch of wrestlers that people think are really great, but are really lacking full matches on tape. From reading through threads it seems like a lot of people are having to extrapolate on how to rank them into GWE based on limitations of footage. That got me thinking. What if we separate out any candidate that has less than ten/fifteen/twenty or whatever full matches on tape out of GWE 100 list and add a Historical List voting too. Last time we had a separate tag vote, we could do a separate historical vote instead? Maybe people put out a top 25 list for those people with footage issues? Just a thought, but I think it's a neat and fun idea. Thoughts?

This is the best thing to ever happen in wrestling. We are in the heart of the interpromotional wars and Hokuto has beat Kandori, so here we are in the Grand Prix with Kandori's LLPW teammate Yasha Kurenai is out to prove something. We start with Kurenai walking up to Hokuto and spitting into her face with the hugest spit ever. Hokuto has 0 reaction. The crowd realizes what is about to happen and starts chanting for Hokuto. Kurenai then gets to the middle of the ring and does her pose, Hokuto just has a seat and stares at her. Kurenai then gets a kendo stick and starts attacking Hokuto's leg and then proceeds to do 3 lame choke slams, which Hokuto no sells with Kurenai getting angrier and angrier. Hokuto gets tossed a kendo stick which she immediately throws back, because she doesn't need that shit. A moment later Hokuto hits one of the most vicious Northern Lights Bomb ever for the win. She then yells a lot on the mic and this is the best. 9/10. Wrestling is amazing!

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