Grimmas

Here was the watch list, another great week Tune in for Sean Waltman next week, and tomorrow (Sunday) at 3 EST for Dream Rush, but with the promos subtitled! December 8, 1976 – WWWA Tag Team title match – Beauty Pair(c ) Vs Black Pair February 27, 1979 – WWWA Singles Champion Jackie Sato Vs All-Pacific Champion Maki Ueda. September 13, 1979 – WWWA Singles title match – Monster Ripper Vs Jackie Sato November 27, 1980 – Jackie Sato Vs Devil Masami December 16, 1980 – Jackie Sato Vs Rimi Yokota January 4, 1981 – Jackie Sato, Rimi Yokota & Mimi Hagiwara Vs Black Pair & Leilani Kai February 25, 1981 – WWWA Singles title match – Jackie Sato Vs Rimi Yokota May 21, 1981 – Jackie Sato Vs Mami Kumano – Jackie Sato’s AJW retirement match

Jackie Sato Watch Party coming up at 12 EST today!

I will watch this later, but Hokuto house show footage. Make that 27 matches.

Bull followed Dump, Kong followed Bull. In 2016 Kong finished higher, but is that really how people feel? Bull Nakano vs Aja Kong, who is better?

Are you serious? I should shut up about Hokuto because I have nothing to add now? Are you really implying that watching 26 matches from one person in one year is not enough to really understand them? You also need the 4 minute Pro matches too or random house show matches? You are the same person who are going on about rating people after only watching TV matches of them from the 50s that survived, or they only having 17 matches from them in their 20 year career, or go on and on about how this person looked so great, based on a 7 minute highlight video. GWE is supposed to be a fun time to talk about great wrestlers and have deep discussions, not to be weird ass gate keepers based on points they made up decades ago and wont' let ago, even if they don't correlate to reality.

First I reject her prime is that short, but whatever. In 1993 we have at minimum 26 matches. That's over two a month. That ratio is on par with most wrestlers in history, including Eddie. Eddie probably has more in his prime, but then you are including a million nothing TV matches. I really have no idea what point you are trying to make, yes I would love more footage of Hokuto, she's the best, but 26 matches in a year is quite a bit.

I wouldn't limit her prime to 92-94, but if you wanted to do that there is, at minimum 47 matches on tape form those three years. It's probably higher than that, that's just the footage I have. I find it weird saying we don't have a lot. That doesn't feel like a low number to me.

Queing my all women's GWE list in 3.. 2... 1

I LOVE BOTH SO MUCH! Meiko is better than Mayu though. Sasha on big nights, Mayu day to day. Sasha as a heel, Mayu as a babyface. Don't make me choose.

and Hokuto from 86.

I meant Kobashi... sorry was watching Andre and my mind slipped!!! So Kobashi had 7 years (93-2000), Hokuto had 7 years (88-95) and they both had great stuff after that. It's not that far apart. 90 being when Hokuto gets great I disagree with, she was atleast great by 88 and I would argue earlier. Sorry my least favourite narrative is that Hokuto had a tiny prime.

What is the range of Andre being great, because Hokuto's is like 87-95, then great matches speckled in until 2001.

35 minutes away from the Andre #GWE26 Watch Party! https://sync-tube.de/rooms/3-MyR11ms

I have Hokuto #1 and Kobashi not in the top 10, so this is an easy vote for me. There is a thing people say that Hokuto had a really short prime, but the prime was great. She was freaking awesome from the day she appears on tape until her semi retirement in 94. Even saying that, she produced awesome stuff and even one of the top matches of the 2000s. She has better offense than Kobashi, better selling, better character work, better match structure, better pretty much everything. Kobashi is great, but Hokuto is the greatest.

I just never thought about it before. Part of the issue I have is that humans are pattern seekers and we can attribute influence when it's really not there. Like it's easy to see Dynamite Kid influenced Chris Benoit, but if you see someone who works similarly how do you know they watched someone who watched that person or whatever. Could just be that two people developed the same stuff without influence, wrestling can only be done in so many ways.

Are you taking influence into account? I see in threads people bring that up all the time, I hadn't thought to consider that, but maybe it's something worth pursuing?

seconded.

That's certainly a debate that can happen, maybe in another thread or format

"... she's not especially influential seeing how no one really works like her anymore... " @ohtani's jacket "No one really" doesn't mean absolutely 0. It means it's not highly popular. Toyota is not this huge trend setter in joshi that most people copied.

Greatest wrestler vs greatest career is something nobody is agreeing about on which they are voting for.

Who said Toyota had no influence on the modern scene?

@DylanZero An interview with Mayu and a section on her bumping style https://shinetodaybelievetomorrow.home.blog/2021/05/19/mayu-iwatani-is-a-self-proclaimed-pro-wrestling-pervert-who-says-im-going-to-take-my-opponents-moves-in-the-most-flamboyant-way-possible/

It may be a Rockers thing, because I think they did that against the Rougeaus (but I can't recall 100%), but nobody else did it.

The majority of The Rockers-Brainbusters MSG/MLG/Spectrum/BG house show matches come to mind immediately.

If you like your 80s American babyface workers, it doesn't get better than these three. Who you got?