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73 - "Y2J" Chris Jericho 2006 Ranking: 84 Points: 3220 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 71 Average Vote: 55.65 High Vote: 16 (BackToBionic) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "A wrestling craftsman who loves to sink his teeth into an angle and meld character, story, promo and match together into an opus. Really good TV worker, and versatile as hell between face and heel, singles and tags, main events and midcard, comedy and serious, young lion and ageing vet. Very long, varied and deep career. " Jimmy Redman "I think Jericho is the prototype for his generation, learning his craft journeyman-style and having the huge scene of the late 90's ready for him to explode. I feel he continues to be up there with anyone even today when he is at his best." Dave Musgrave "Good high-flyer, fired up babyface as a young wrestler. Developed into a great heel. Very diverse set of opponents." cubbymark Recommended Matches: Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (WCW Fall Brawl, 9/14/1997) Chris Jericho vs Shelton Benjamin (WWE Taboo Tuesday, 10/19/2004) Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (WWE Bash, 6/28/2009)

Lengths of awesomeness played a huye factor there.

That is one of the best posts I have ever read. Jericho is one of those people who thinks they are really intelligent, but are actually really dumb.

A lot of talk of Hogan only being over due to "AMERICA!" and the time period. Canada is not America and is pretty damn different. However, Hogan was super over there as well. Maybe even having a longer last appeal.

#73 is next. I expect some big discussion coming from that posting, so I will wait an hour. Get your Atlantis discussions going. By the way, love that Atlantis is higher than 2006 and that he is one above Hogan.

Tim, fair assessment. To be fair I am cherry picking the best Tanahashi and that doesn't work for me, because I don't think he's very good. However, maybe with watching every show he might stand out more as an elite all-timer.

74 - Atlantis 2006 Ranking: 94 Points: 3197 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 68 Average Vote: 54.04 High Vote: 6 (Frankensteiner) Low Vote: 95 Discussion Thread "Atlantis continues to have good matches in his long career and is one of the better trios wrestlers." Moonsault Marvin "One of the best babyfaces, flyers, and big match workers ever. " Elliott "As far as luchadors go I am big on Atlantis. He is just sooooo pretty. It's one of those occasions when pure mechanical talent matters a great deal to me, because his high flying and smoothness in the ring is amazing, I could watch him fly through the air for days. He's everything I want out of a masked tecnico." Jimmy Redman "He was a talented rookie when he first started getting put into a position where he could have great matches. The thing is that the great matches frequently involved tremendous wrestlers. When you watch Atlantis vs Satanico it's easy to imagine that he was some sort of prodigy but if you watch his match against El Faraón he looks exposed. El Faraón was a good wrestler in his own right but his leash on Atlantis wasn't as tight. Atlantis has moments of brilliance in that match but his hammy selling and awkward crowd interaction is too much for me. In the late 80s he really put it together. His selling became more subtle and his appeals to the crowd were a bit more assured. On top of that his offense became truly spectacular. He has some impressive flying offense in his 1983 tag with Santo but the stuff he was doing in 1988 was so much more precise. He's a great trios worker during this time but I wish I could see more of his singles performances. His 1988 match against Emilio Charles Jr. is a great workrate lucha match. In the 90s he toned down the highflying and improved his matwork. He was also lucky enough to have a number of programs against some of the greatest wrestlers of all time. His matches against Blue Panther and Villano III in particular are classics. I think I'll need to revisit some of his rudo stuff from the 2000s. I remember liking that heel turn match against Santo but I'm not sure if anything else holds up." Graham Crackers Recommended Matches: Atlantis vs Blue Panther (CMLL, 8/9/1991) Atlantis vs Villano III (CMLL, 3/17/2000) Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero (CMLL, 9/19/2014)

A bias that thinks he's not a good wrestler. That's not a bias. No, a bias with regards to thinking one way without having actually gone through the material (in this case, matches) before making a conclusion. Conclusions don't matter if they aren't well informed. It's the old jdw line when responding to a "opinions can't be wrong." "It's my opinion that Andre the Giant was the greatest flying wrestler ever." It does make me laugh when a LOT of the complaints about styles of wrestling and individual wrestlers are not present in Tanahashi's performances yet not discussed in depth, but most people tend to be on one end of the spectrum or the other. He's amazing (Meltzer, etc.) or he stinks, which is something I have definitely been guilty of in the past. Like I said, I didn't have Tanahashi on my list and would be perfectly fine if I never saw another match of his, but there is validity in digging a little deeper. I have watched a TON of Tanahashi

Hogan incredible in the ring seems like a silly willfully revisionist super-smark statement from 2016. He made the 2006 list, btw.

Hogan mediocre in the ring seems like a silly smark statement from the 90s.

This isn't the 'Most Influential Wrestler Ever' list though. Elvis Presley redefined what a rock star could be but his albums don't stand up next to Revolver or Blue or Blood On The Tracks or Dark Side Of The Moon. Hogan is a better wrestler than Elvis was a musician though.

missed opportunity.

Hmmm.... check the results.

75 - Hulk Hogan 2006 Ranking: 86 Points: 3155 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 78 Average Vote: 60.65 High Vote: 6 (Chris Powell) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "He's the reason I became a lifelong fan. Charismatic. Amazing babyface, and even a good heel while in the nWo. Variety of opponents." TheU_2001 "Hogan mastered the Lawler type of comeback. No one understood how and when to play to the crowd as well as Hogan." Moonsault Marvin "Regardless of being one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers ever and the most popular mainstream wrestler in North America during the 1980s, he was a great in-ring performer as well. Especially his matches from the 1980s are still fun to watch." stunning_grover "AWA Run, Japan work. Grew too formulaic and too selfish to be ranked any higher." cubbmark "He also made matches feel BIGGER than imaginable. Mania III, Mania VI, Mania 18. I'm not talking about promos and hype packages, I'm talking about those early match moments. The staredowns. The genuine intensity. People think that's easy -- watching shit like Cena vs. The Rock shows you how much it isn't. Hogan does that stuff better than practically anyone. And it's a rare quality." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Hulk Hogan vs Nick Bockwinkel (AWA, 4/24/1983) Hulk Hogan vs Big Boss Man (WWF, Cage, 3/18/1989) Hulk Hogan vs The Rock (WWF WrestleMania X-8, 3/17/2002)

A bias that thinks he's not a good wrestler. That's not a bias.

76 - Hiroshi Hase 2006 Ranking: 33 Points: 3109 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 73 Average Vote: 58.41 High Vote: 10 (anarchistxx) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "His holds, spots and transitions are all crisp without theatrics and he's as awesome at selling as he is tearing into an open wound and trying to drain every last ounce of blood from his opponent. That's before we get to his fire and charisma. He could play the fiery NJ babyface vs. WAR on one night or a bloodthirsty and vicious heel the next. Easily someone I want to go back and watch what he was doing in the 80s as well as what was there when he moved to AJ, as on the New Japan side the only one at his level is Hashimoto." WingedEagle "Hase is one of those guys where if you are voting partially on skill level and flash I could see rating him fairly high. He was extremely gifted in the ring. Had a ton of tools, applied them in interesting ways, and certainly had an "ahead of his time" vibe in a way without being someone you think of as innovative or a high flyer. I also think he had a cool and unique look which fit his work and there is a sense in which that kind of matters to me when I'm looking at tiebreakers for something like the GWE. " Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Hiroshi Hase vs Jushin Liger (NJPW, 5/6/1991) Hiroshi Hase vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW, 8/3/1993) Hiroshi Hase & Keiji Mutoh vs Shinya Hashimoto & Masahiro Chono (NJPW, 11/4/1993)

No to both.

77 - "Ravishing" Rick Rude 2006 Ranking: 85 Points: 3072 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 83 Average Vote: 64 High Vote: 8 (Andrew Lacelle) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "I had always had it in my head that Rude had a great look and was a good promo, but wasn't anything special in the ring, but going back and watching his peak stuff, it's really amazing how athletic he is, how well he moves and bumps, and how clear an idea of who he is in the ring." JRGoldman Recommended Matches: Rick Rude vs Ultimate Warrior (WWF SummerSlam, 8/28/1989) Rick Rude vs Roddy Piper (Cage, WWF 12/28/1989) Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (Iron Man, WCW Beach Blast, 6/20/1992)

or Kid

78 - Dynamite Kid 2006 Ranking: 14 Points: 3037 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 2 Top 10 Votes: 3 # of Ballots: 64 Average Vote: 54.19 High Vote: 2 (ChuckScumm) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "The aggressive Dynamite Kid was an exciting wrestler with great bumping ability." Moonsault Marvin "People say his stuff hasn't aged much but I think opinions will come around, especially on his work with Tiger Mask" Dave Musgrave "Greatest British wrestler ever. Great intensity. One of the most amazing performers in the world during the late 1970s and early 1980s. Even after his peak he continued to give interesting performances." stunning_grover "He's also one of the rare performers whose stuff never looks dated. You could plop 1983 Dynamite on a state of the art PWG card tomorrow and he'd fit right in and get over immediately. Stick him in modern New Japan with the best roster in the world, and he'd look just fine slapping around juniors and stepping up to Shibata." W2BTD Recommended Matches: Dynamite Kid vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 2/5/1980) Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask (NJPW, 4/21/1983) British Bulldogs vs Dream Team (WWF, 4/7/1986)

Oops. Fixing now.

I would (and will) argue that being the best at what is most basic and primal is exactly why he should be on a list like this. Yeah seems like a great argument in his fire. Great fire, great at all the basics and some great feuds and matches. That's why I voted for him.

79 - Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy 2006 Ranking: 47 Points: 2945 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 66 Average Vote: 56.14 High Vote: 8 (Lisa Lewis) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "Even if he wasn't the same for the last years of his career, he wrestled like few others during his prime, especially for his size. His Texas Death Match with Killer Khan is one of my favorites. " Dave Musgrave "The recklessness of youth, embodied in the man child that was Terry Gordy. Such a fantastic worker, especially for his size. A true natural. Don't be touchin' his van. " Jon Burr " He's been in a lot of great matches (mostly 80s tags) and he has a lot of great tools but I always end up feeling underwhelmed. He's great on paper. Good size, great punch, great bumping, knew how to sell and put guys over. But there's just something missing and I can't put my finger on what it is. He should have been a top 20 worker but the pieces never really came together like I would have hoped." Elliot Recommended Matches: Terry Gordy vs Killer Khan (WCCW, 11/22/1984) Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts vs Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Badstreet Match, WCCW, 2/12/1988) Terry Gordy & Stan Hansen vs Genichiro Tenryu & Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW, 12/16/1988)

80 - Tito Santana 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (208) Points: 2945 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 74 Average Vote: 61.20 High Vote: 14 (Coffey) Low Vote: 97 Discussion Thread "Santana was a great wrestler in a supporting role. His fired up brawling makes him a sentimental favorite." Moonsault Marvin "Tito Santana is on my list. I might be the high man for Tito, actually. I think Tito Santana might be my favorite babyface of all-time. I just love the way he dies. His comesbacks & fire are great too, but he's just so good at dying. He made everyone he wrestled look like a god. Even when he was squashed in a nothing match at Wrestlemania by The Barbarian. His selling of the top rope Clothesline just made it seem so much more brutal & impactful. Tito was good at what he did." Coffey Recommended Matches: Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine (Cage, WWF, 7/23/1985) Tito Santana vs Randy Savage (WWF, 4/22/1986) Tito Santana vs Mr. Perfect (WWF Saturday Night's Main Event, 7/16/1990)

You totally do.