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I have Casas above Bret and I am the biggest Bret mark there is on PWO.

I had Bret in my top 5. He was 9th in 2006. No way he is dropping in the bottom half of the ballot.

If Owen had Bret's drive and mind, he'd be #1 on my list... or at least would have a shot.

I had Owen at 51, so this ranking is about right in my eyes. Still feels high though. Shockingly, he dropped big time from 2006. I think a lot of people really liked Owen, so he was on the bottom half of a lot of ballots.

58 - Owen Hart 2006 Ranking: 37 Points: 4103 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 94 Average Vote: 57.35 High Vote: 10 (Mando>Eddie & Scarlet-Left) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "I like all of Owen's work. But, it's his WWF heel run that is the best part of his career." stunning_grover "Owen Hart in 1997 is one of my favorite in-ring wrestlers of all-time. And he was great the rest of his career as well." Dave Musgrave "Although his early work in Japan has aged very poorly, Hart had an excellent run as a heel in the WWF including several classic matches with his brother." Moonsault Marvin "He was quite possibly the best guy in the WWF at constructing TV matches in the mid-90s. It was either him or 1-2-3 Kid. He also has the Bret match at Wrestlemania X to his credit, which is as good as almost any match to happen stateside in the 1990s. There's also the 10-man tag at Canadian Stampede where he played a huge role. The Vader match at One Night Only. The Michaels match at the February 1996 In Your House. The Shamrock matches at Fully Loaded and Summerslam 1998. The Austin match at Summerslam 1997, which was pretty great before Austin was hurt." Loss Recommended Matches: Owen Hart vs Bret Hart (WWF WrestleMania X, 3/20/1994) Hart Foundation vs Steve Austin, Goldust, Ken Shamrock, & Legion of Doom (WWF Canadian Stampede, 7/6/1997) Owen Hart vs Ken Shamrock (Lion's Den, WWF SummerSlam, 8/30/1998)

I had Punk over Joe. The way he portrayed his character in ring and made big matches feel huge was a big plus. Plus he was great from 2003-2013. While Joe was great from 2002-2006. Of course that is TNA's fault, not his, but still.

59 - Samoa Joe 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (116) Points: 4098 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 103 Average Vote: 61.21 High Vote: 18 (Woof & mprice) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "Along with Danielson, he is the master of the indy dream scene that has existed post-2000. His style was one of the most original I have seen." Dave Musgrave "During his peak indy/early TNA run he was head and shoulders above everyone else around him, truly a unique attraction in that environment. Great in main events, great in brawls, great as the X Division bully, he has the ability to make something feel like a real war." Jimmy Redman "Went back and watched some select matches from his peak recently, and I really think it's going to be hard for me to leave him off my list. There are guys who I really like and respect being touted on a few years from the 80's, who I think have resumes that are paper thin next to Joe's (to take one example, Magnum T.A.). Watching a match like Joe v. Rhino v. Monty Brown, which is a TNA hardcore match, where I don't even remember the context, it was pretty amazing how exciting the match felt and how much Joe being Joe added to it. I'm not saying it's must see or anything like that, but if a match like this happened on Raw this week people would be falling over themselves to praise it, and I'm not sure it's even a top fifty Joe match from his 3-4 year peak. I have nothing against Lesnar, and Brock is working on a bigger stage, but Joe gave off a similar vibe to me, and had much better matches." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Samoa Joe vs CM Punk (ROH, 10/16/2004) Samoa Joe vs Kenta Kobashi (ROH, 10/1/2005) Samoa Joe vs AJ Styles (TNA, 12/11/2005)

Is he on twitter? I'm not going to Russia.

60 - Volk Han 2006 Ranking: 42 Points: 3913 #1 Votes: 2 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 68 Average Vote: 44.60 High Vote: 1 (Frankensteiner & ???) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Unparalleled technical master who just "got it," knew how to use his techniques in a worked setting to maximum effect." #1 voter "I reviewed some of his best matches to make a case for him for the Observer Hall of Fame. It is unbelievable how great he was and I think he is the best submission wrestler I have ever seen. Also, his real name is Magomedhan Amanulajewitsch Gamzatkhanov." Dave Musgrave "Maybe the best pure mat wrestler ever. Definitely the most inspired mat wrestler ever. Most surprisingly charismatic wrestler ever." Elliott "Volk Han worked extremely few matches, but he was the peak of the shoot style genre with his awe-inspiring matwork." Moonsault Marvin "Match for match, the best ever. My favorite worker of my favorite style and as of now, he is very much in the conversation for my #1. It's even more amazing when you take in the fact that he debuted at 30, untrained (an elite grappler though), and was already one of the worlds best." Venegas Recommended Matches: Volk Han vs Akira Maeda (RINGS, 12/7/1991) Volk Han vs Kiyoshi Tamura (RINGS, 1/22/1997) Volk Han vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (RINGS, 5/28/1998)

The person comes up in the number 14 slot.

Yeah, listed three on the list. She has the great matches.

Points of top ten wrestlers: 15261 14452 13813 13216 12302 12291 11910 11898 11784 11603

Not even close. Here are the averages of the top 10 guys: 7.95 11.36 11.06 10.23 17.63 18.03 20.92 16.62 13.19 18.76 Although the next person with a lower average is ranked 27th.

Tamura goes up one spot from 2006. I don't see how the number of ballots means a massive increase in less deep dive voters than in 2006.

Bull dropping is the saddest one for me today. I'm looking forward to 2026 when 90's joshi is praised again.

Sorry. I haven't been able to get into shoot style this year. I think that is why he is low, but has such a great average. Lots of people are in that state.

61 - Bull Nakano 2006 Ranking: 43 Points: 3902 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 72 Average Vote: 46.81 High Vote: 9 (Bill Thompson) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "The student became the master, as Bull continued Dump Matsumoto's legacy, with an even better persona and vastly better matches. Incredibly consistent in the ring, too." Jon Burr "A monster gaijin who was incredibly athletic as well." Dave Musgrave "Essentially, Bull was great. Within her gender, she's a Top 5 candidate, and surely Top 10. She debuted a tad younger than most, got good as quick as any of them (there's a lovely little match on one of the earlier Classics episodes with I want to say Ogura, maybe for the AJW Title, that's well laid out and it's from about late 85. It's nothing extraordinary, don't get me wrong, but it's the kind of match you see from someone really early in their career and know they're on their way to being rather damn good), and in terms of one person carrying a company in-ring she did a fucking remarkable job from 1990 through to early 92 when the others started picking up. For the same old reasons she has less notable stuff after that, but matches like vs. Masami, vs. Kandori, I wish the 1/94 vs. Toyota was in full... there's no way she's not on my ballot and I'd wager she's one of the AJW workers more likely to appeal to most people on here. Essentially, Bull was fucking great." MJH Recommended Matches: Bull Nakano vs Aja Kong (Cage, AJW, 11/14/1990) Bull Nakano (AJW, 1/23/1991) Bull Nakano vs Devil Masami (JWP, 4/18/1993)

62 - Kiyoshi Tamura 2006 Ranking: 63 Points: 3880 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 7 # of Ballots: 55 Average Vote: 31.11 High Vote: 2 Low Vote: 89 Discussion Thread "The best ever if not for the fact that he wrestled less than 130 matches in his career." Elliot "... the way Tamura works that sense of urgency into his matches is so impressive that I think it would be impossible for me not to rate him over Han. I know there are some who will say that what he did against Vader doesn't really matter much as it wasn't really an expression of him doing what made him great, but I strongly disagree with that. The way he worked his flurries, the tenacious nature of his attack, et. are all completely in keeping with what you would expect out of him if he were working v. a shootstyle master. More to the point I can't imagine Han having that match with Vader." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Kiyoshi Tamura vs Nobuhiko Takada (UWFI, 2/14/1993) Kiyoshi Tamura vs Volk Han (RINGS, 1/22/1997) Kiyoshi Tamura vs Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (RINGS, 6/27/1998)

63 - Giant Baba 2006 Ranking: 30 Points: 3768 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 80 Average Vote: 54.10 High Vote: 2 (jackwebb) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "Just very likable. Loves what he is doing in a way I can connect with as a viewer. " jackwebb "One of the most important Japanese wrestlers ever. The founder and first top star of AJPW. He was a great thinking man's wrestler." stunning_grover "Giant Baba had good matches with major wrestlers from around the world in the '60s and '70s, and then had a second career as a fun tag wrestler." Moonsault Marvin "Baba may be the smartest worker of all-time. Not the best, and nowhere near the most athletic. But he was Andre with possibly even better smarts and better longevity even as his body was going through similar problems." PeteF3 Recommended Matches: Giant Baba vs The Destroyer (JWA, 3/5/1969) Giant Baba vs Billy Robinson (AJPW, 7/24/1976) Giant Baba vs Stan Hansen (AJPW, 2/4/1982)

64 - Sgt. Slaughter 2006 Ranking: 99 Points: 3768 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 87 Average Vote: 57.69 High Vote: 14 (Kelly Nelson) Low Vote: 96 Discussion Thread "Lunatic bump freak with some of my favorite feuds and big matches." Jon Burr "He was great in both singles and tags in the early 80's and was one of the best in the world at the time. His later days are underrated." Dave Musgrave "Tremendous bumper, tremendous brawler. Classics with Steamboat/Youngblood, all out wars with Backlund, Sheik, Patterson. He had some fun stuff with Hogan in 91 that doesn't get much love. He's still entertaining in the 2000's bumping around like a lunatic for guys half his age." The Chief Recommended Matches: Sgt. Slaughter & Don Kernodle vs Ricky Steamboat & Jay Youngblood (Cage, NWA Final Conflict, 3/12/1983) Sgt. Slaughter vs Iron Sheik (Boot Camp, WWF, 6/16/1984) Sgt. Slaughter & Crusher Blackwell vs Sheik Adnan Kaissey, King Tonga, & Masked Superstar (Cage, AWA, 4/21/1985)

90s NJPW has been watched by more people than Togo's post M-Pro.

65 - Shinjiro Ohtani 2006 Ranking: 27 Points: 3616 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 80 Average Vote: 55.80 High Vote: 21 (GOTNW & ???) Low Vote: 95 Discussion Thread "Ohtani's a tough one, because even his run as an elite jr. heavy was pretty short for a GOAT conversation. His SC placement looks even nuttier now. But God he was good at his best. I'd say his rivalry with Liger produced the best cruiser series in history, and that was just as much Ohtani as Liger." Childs "Ohtani has one of the best stretches a junior ever had from December 1995 to February 1997. I'd actually hear arguments that the Sammy match (1/21/96), the two Lyger matches and the Ultimo match (8/20/96) are the four best junior matches ever." Tim Livingston Recommended Matches: Shinjiro Ohtani vs El Samurai (NJPW, 1/21/1996) Shinjiro Ohtani vs Ultimo Dragon (NJPW, 8/4/1996) Shinjiro Ohtani vs Jushin Liger (NJPW, 2/9/1997)

Woof, I think a LOT of those matches are just beyound awful. For example, I really really hate that RR03 match with Benoit. Just a horrible match. I don't need to deep dive into Angle, I watched it live. I really liked him from 2000-2002ish. At some point it just all fell apart for him. Probably around the time he wasn't being lead through matches anymore and he was gaining enough cred to captain matches.

66 - "The Great Muta" Keiji Mutoh 2006 Ranking: 53 Points: 3535 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 74 Average Vote: 53.31 High Vote: 5 (Chris Powell) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "He had some lows but his highs were so high that I can't help but rate him big." Dave Musgrave "I prefer him as the Great Muta, wandering around and acting weird. His output is very uneven, but he is great when at his best in either guise." Moonsault Marvin "He's the most polarizing guy in the field for me. When I was a kid, him and Lyger absolutely mystified me, and then later on, seeing him make his comeback in 2001 was the craziest thing ever. But man he was a part of some shit stuff, too. Really tough to judge." Tim Livingston Recommended Matches: Great Muta vs Sting (NWA Great American Bash, 7/23/1989) Great Muta vs Hiroshi Hase (NJPW, 12/14/1992) Keiji Mutoh vs Genichiro Tenryu (AJPW, 6/8/2001)

Harley Race is someone I just don't get. I don't see how anyone can watch him and think GREAT. I don't know why he is still left or why I am so far off the consensus with him. Harley goes over well with folks like me who 1) like their wrestling to have a more "serious" edge and 2) have an affinity for guys like Harley because we grew up in a small Midwestern town and knew several people who drank too much beer, drove their cars too fast, weren't chiseled muscleheads, but would fight you to the death at the drop of a hat, sometimes for no apparent reason. I do hate drunks, drunk drivers and douches who get into fights for no reason. So yeah...