Grimmas

Hogan incredible in the ring seems like a silly willfully revisionist super-smark statement from 2016. He made the 2006 list, btw.

Hogan mediocre in the ring seems like a silly smark statement from the 90s.

This isn't the 'Most Influential Wrestler Ever' list though. Elvis Presley redefined what a rock star could be but his albums don't stand up next to Revolver or Blue or Blood On The Tracks or Dark Side Of The Moon. Hogan is a better wrestler than Elvis was a musician though.

missed opportunity.

Hmmm.... check the results.

75 - Hulk Hogan 2006 Ranking: 86 Points: 3155 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 78 Average Vote: 60.65 High Vote: 6 (Chris Powell) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "He's the reason I became a lifelong fan. Charismatic. Amazing babyface, and even a good heel while in the nWo. Variety of opponents." TheU_2001 "Hogan mastered the Lawler type of comeback. No one understood how and when to play to the crowd as well as Hogan." Moonsault Marvin "Regardless of being one of the most recognizable pro wrestlers ever and the most popular mainstream wrestler in North America during the 1980s, he was a great in-ring performer as well. Especially his matches from the 1980s are still fun to watch." stunning_grover "AWA Run, Japan work. Grew too formulaic and too selfish to be ranked any higher." cubbmark "He also made matches feel BIGGER than imaginable. Mania III, Mania VI, Mania 18. I'm not talking about promos and hype packages, I'm talking about those early match moments. The staredowns. The genuine intensity. People think that's easy -- watching shit like Cena vs. The Rock shows you how much it isn't. Hogan does that stuff better than practically anyone. And it's a rare quality." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Hulk Hogan vs Nick Bockwinkel (AWA, 4/24/1983) Hulk Hogan vs Big Boss Man (WWF, Cage, 3/18/1989) Hulk Hogan vs The Rock (WWF WrestleMania X-8, 3/17/2002)

A bias that thinks he's not a good wrestler. That's not a bias.

76 - Hiroshi Hase 2006 Ranking: 33 Points: 3109 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 73 Average Vote: 58.41 High Vote: 10 (anarchistxx) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "His holds, spots and transitions are all crisp without theatrics and he's as awesome at selling as he is tearing into an open wound and trying to drain every last ounce of blood from his opponent. That's before we get to his fire and charisma. He could play the fiery NJ babyface vs. WAR on one night or a bloodthirsty and vicious heel the next. Easily someone I want to go back and watch what he was doing in the 80s as well as what was there when he moved to AJ, as on the New Japan side the only one at his level is Hashimoto." WingedEagle "Hase is one of those guys where if you are voting partially on skill level and flash I could see rating him fairly high. He was extremely gifted in the ring. Had a ton of tools, applied them in interesting ways, and certainly had an "ahead of his time" vibe in a way without being someone you think of as innovative or a high flyer. I also think he had a cool and unique look which fit his work and there is a sense in which that kind of matters to me when I'm looking at tiebreakers for something like the GWE. " Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Hiroshi Hase vs Jushin Liger (NJPW, 5/6/1991) Hiroshi Hase vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW, 8/3/1993) Hiroshi Hase & Keiji Mutoh vs Shinya Hashimoto & Masahiro Chono (NJPW, 11/4/1993)

No to both.

77 - "Ravishing" Rick Rude 2006 Ranking: 85 Points: 3072 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 83 Average Vote: 64 High Vote: 8 (Andrew Lacelle) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "I had always had it in my head that Rude had a great look and was a good promo, but wasn't anything special in the ring, but going back and watching his peak stuff, it's really amazing how athletic he is, how well he moves and bumps, and how clear an idea of who he is in the ring." JRGoldman Recommended Matches: Rick Rude vs Ultimate Warrior (WWF SummerSlam, 8/28/1989) Rick Rude vs Roddy Piper (Cage, WWF 12/28/1989) Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (Iron Man, WCW Beach Blast, 6/20/1992)

or Kid

78 - Dynamite Kid 2006 Ranking: 14 Points: 3037 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 2 Top 10 Votes: 3 # of Ballots: 64 Average Vote: 54.19 High Vote: 2 (ChuckScumm) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "The aggressive Dynamite Kid was an exciting wrestler with great bumping ability." Moonsault Marvin "People say his stuff hasn't aged much but I think opinions will come around, especially on his work with Tiger Mask" Dave Musgrave "Greatest British wrestler ever. Great intensity. One of the most amazing performers in the world during the late 1970s and early 1980s. Even after his peak he continued to give interesting performances." stunning_grover "He's also one of the rare performers whose stuff never looks dated. You could plop 1983 Dynamite on a state of the art PWG card tomorrow and he'd fit right in and get over immediately. Stick him in modern New Japan with the best roster in the world, and he'd look just fine slapping around juniors and stepping up to Shibata." W2BTD Recommended Matches: Dynamite Kid vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 2/5/1980) Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask (NJPW, 4/21/1983) British Bulldogs vs Dream Team (WWF, 4/7/1986)

Oops. Fixing now.

I would (and will) argue that being the best at what is most basic and primal is exactly why he should be on a list like this. Yeah seems like a great argument in his fire. Great fire, great at all the basics and some great feuds and matches. That's why I voted for him.

79 - Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy 2006 Ranking: 47 Points: 2945 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 66 Average Vote: 56.14 High Vote: 8 (Lisa Lewis) Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "Even if he wasn't the same for the last years of his career, he wrestled like few others during his prime, especially for his size. His Texas Death Match with Killer Khan is one of my favorites. " Dave Musgrave "The recklessness of youth, embodied in the man child that was Terry Gordy. Such a fantastic worker, especially for his size. A true natural. Don't be touchin' his van. " Jon Burr " He's been in a lot of great matches (mostly 80s tags) and he has a lot of great tools but I always end up feeling underwhelmed. He's great on paper. Good size, great punch, great bumping, knew how to sell and put guys over. But there's just something missing and I can't put my finger on what it is. He should have been a top 20 worker but the pieces never really came together like I would have hoped." Elliot Recommended Matches: Terry Gordy vs Killer Khan (WCCW, 11/22/1984) Terry Gordy & Buddy Roberts vs Kerry & Kevin Von Erich (Badstreet Match, WCCW, 2/12/1988) Terry Gordy & Stan Hansen vs Genichiro Tenryu & Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW, 12/16/1988)

80 - Tito Santana 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (208) Points: 2945 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 74 Average Vote: 61.20 High Vote: 14 (Coffey) Low Vote: 97 Discussion Thread "Santana was a great wrestler in a supporting role. His fired up brawling makes him a sentimental favorite." Moonsault Marvin "Tito Santana is on my list. I might be the high man for Tito, actually. I think Tito Santana might be my favorite babyface of all-time. I just love the way he dies. His comesbacks & fire are great too, but he's just so good at dying. He made everyone he wrestled look like a god. Even when he was squashed in a nothing match at Wrestlemania by The Barbarian. His selling of the top rope Clothesline just made it seem so much more brutal & impactful. Tito was good at what he did." Coffey Recommended Matches: Tito Santana vs Greg Valentine (Cage, WWF, 7/23/1985) Tito Santana vs Randy Savage (WWF, 4/22/1986) Tito Santana vs Mr. Perfect (WWF Saturday Night's Main Event, 7/16/1990)

You totally do.

Completely agreed. Tried to argue that, but got responses of shitty gifs.

It's a hell of an improvement, I think he deserved higher though.

81 - Yoshihiro Tajiri 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (294) Points: 2813 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 80 Average Vote: 65.84 High Vote: 15 (El Dragon) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Everyone knows Tajiri had that couple years stretch were he had a very legitimate case as best in the world, but I feel like the rest of his career gets undervalued greatly. I think he had a legitimate case as being one of the very best guys in North America all the way until around 2005 or so, just rarely was put in a position to show it, sadly (which means most people will think this reasoning is silly, and that's fine). Possibly the wrestler who best carried himself in North America while never speaking English just due to overwhelming in ring charisma, which I value greatly." El Dragon "He gets in for me for two reasons - 1. He was at least arguably the best worker in the world for two consecutive years (99 and 00). I might feel differently if I watch lucha and BatBat from that period, but no one else from anywhere in the world I would have ahead of him. On top of it during this period he was unbelievably consistent, never having bad matches even on ECW house shows where plenty of other guys took the night off and/or he was booked against guys who weren't easy to work with. 2. Despite not getting a ton of chances, I think his non-ECW career is both consistent and interesting in ways you might not think. Even in recent years he's had some incredible matches both against vets and against half trained rookies. I do wish he had a bigger number of clear classics, but he has plenty of random matches that I love" Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: Yoshihiro Tajiri vs Steve Corino (ECW Hardcore Heaven, 5/14/2000) Yoshihiro Tajiri vs Osamu Nishimura (WNC, 8/8/2003) Yoshihiro Tajiri vs Fit Finlay (SMASH, 2/19/2012)

82 - "Dr. Death" Steve Williams 2006 Ranking: 52 Points: 2807 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 0 # of Ballots: 79 Average Vote: 65.47 High Vote: 17 (The Great Puma) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "It's Steve Williams, come on. A throw-back who defines gaijin monster. I actually really liked his Starrcade 1987 match against Barry Windham, and I will probably be the only person to recommend it." Dave Musgrave "He was great during his peak periods of his career and he had several great matches throughout his career. Mostly in Mid-South and All Japan." stunning_grover "Doc will make my list, but more as a personal favorite than someone whose body of work lines up against the all-time greats. He had a tremendous run in 94 and had some really neat tags earlier in the decade for AJPW, but his US stuff leaves a lot to be desired, sadly. He did have some good stuff in UWF, I'll give him that. He'll be in the bottom part of my list." Tim Livingston Recommended Matches: Steve Williams vs Barry Windham (NWA Starrcade, 11/26/1987) Steve Williams vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW, 4/16/1994) Steve Williams vs Mitsuharu Misawa (AJPW, 7/28/1994)

So sad.

Been busy today and am currently out. Will reveal final few names in 2-3 hours.

I for one love Taker beating Tanahashi.

Who is excusing his actions???