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There is no crime in Canada, so I wouldn't worry. One big "sorry" and the cops let you go.
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38 - Mick Foley 2006 Ranking: 70 Points: 6003 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 121 Average Vote: 51.44 High Vote: 5 (Beast) Low Vote: 96 Discussion Thread "Mick Foley is one my five favorite wrestlers of all time. He was not only better than he should have been, he was better than he needed to be. The best brawler off all time in my opinion." Dave Musgrave "The ultimate ambitious storyteller in wrestling. When it all comes together he can create some magic, and magic that nobody else would think or dare to create. Has some all time brawls, garbage matches and WWE main events to his name." Jimmy Redman "He had plenty of great matches and before his body started letting him down he was the kind of wrestler you could count on to give an all out performance regardless of venue, opponent, or placement on the card. What really makes Mick shine is his ability to have different types of matches with different wrestlers where his base approach remained much the same. As Dude Love he had some great comedy matches, of particular note is his MOTYC against HHH at One Night Only, where he was able to generate great crowd interest through comedy spots. As Mankind he was the crazy bumper and madman who then turned into a beloved sympathy machine. Finally there's his Cactus Jack persona, which is my favorite, and the forebearer to his time as plain Mick Foley, where he was all three personas at the same time encompassing a very complete pro wrestler." Bill Thompson Recommended Matches: Cactus Jack vs Sting (WCW, 6/20/1992) Mankind vs Shawn Michaels (WWF Mind Games, 9/22/1996) Mick Foley vs Randy Orton (WWE Backlash, 4/18/2004)
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I think, instead of nomination process you can only vote for people you posted about and a general idea if where you'll vote for them
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He just dropped as you posted this.
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39 - AJ Styles 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (301) Points: 5759 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 4 # of Ballots: 109 Average Vote: 48.20 High Vote: 6 (Hasan Mulla) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "I can't believe Republican Hoot has made his way into my top half, but here we are. His latest runs have cemented it. Whether it's at Royal Rumble or a bingo hall in rural Georgia, AJ always gives his all." Jon Burr "He has always been great and has shown us in the past couple years what TNA was missing. He has not only had one of the best runs for his time, it has been one of the best runs in decades." Dave Musgrave "AJ to me is a perfect example of a statement that has been tossed around recently - wrestling isn't a zero sum game. There's sometimes a false dichotomy that says that a wrestler is either spot-heavy and mindless, or less-is-more with excellent psychology. It doesn't have to be one or the other, and AJ is a guy who has both sides to his game: a fast pace and cool highspots, as well as babyface selling and neat psychology. Portrayals of him as a spot monkey (which have been tempered by his stint in a more fashionable company in NJPW) are really missing the mark. He stands out from a crowd of his peers precisely because of his babyface fire, timing of big spots, his selling. He adds a certain...gravitas to matches that you wouldn't expect. He's great as a babyface ace of a division, great as an underdog against a bigger dude, great in workratey stuff, great in spotty exhibitions, great as a bumping heel, great as a fired up face in a grudge match, great as a tag worker, great jumping off high places." Jimmy Redman Recommended Matches: AJ Styles vs Abyss (Cage, TNA, 4/24/2005) AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe (TNA, 12/11/2005) AJ Styles vs Minoru Suzuki (NJPW, 8/1/2014)
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40 - Yoshiaki Fujiwara 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (119) Points: 5647 #1 Votes: 1 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 3 Top 10 Votes: 14 # of Ballots: 81 Average Vote: 32.64 High Vote: 1 (A Stock) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Fujiwara was/is a wrestling genius. He's incredibly skilled at making his opponents look great whether they are the focus of the match or not. He is great as a supporting player in a tag and fantastic when pushed into the spotlight. His selling is incredible. Probably some of the most realistic selling I've ever seen. He is capable of a wild violent brawl, strategic mat wrestling, and even comedy." A Stock "I know many consider him a strong GOAT contender. I won’t go that far though. He is one of the best mat workers ever. He could make shoot style matches more entertaining than almost every other shoot style worker. He could work regular puroresu matches, mat-based puroresu matches, shoot style puroresu matches and he could even incorporate some comedy into his matches from time to time." stunning_grover "One of the most unique and charismatic workers. Unpredictable, but in a good way. The only thing I expect from a Fujiwara match is greatness." Jon Burr "He's the one wrestler I've seen who really made defense feel like a vital, exciting thing. In a way, his signature is shielding his body in the corner, eating strikes and waiting to snare his overly aggressive opponent. But yeah, the NJPW stuff showcases how good he was in a more traditional setting, just with facial expressions, ramping up the aggression of a match, etc. As I recall, he was unbelievable in the 1986 5-on-5 gauntlet. His '87 match with Choshu is one of the great brawls of all time." Childs Recommended Matches: Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Super Tiger (UWF, 9/7/1984) Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Riki Choshu (NJPW, 6/9/1987) Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Shinay Hashimoto (NJPW, 6/1/19940
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Having 38 of top 40 is perfectly fine with me, since the two are Benoit and HBK.
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Good Will Wrestling: Greatest Wrestler Ever Series
Grimmas replied to goodhelmet's topic in GWE Podcasts and Publications
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2006 list http://z11.invisionfree.com/wrestling_ko/index.php?showtopic=1937
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His case is almost entirely post 2006.
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John Cena made the top 40, that is good news as well.
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41 - Riki Choshu 2006 Ranking: 100 Points: 5647 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 97 Average Vote: 42.79 High Vote: 8 (GOTNW) Low Vote: 85 Discussion Thread "A wrestler who revolutionized AJPW once and NJPW twice in the 1980's. A great submission wrestler who always wrestled at a great pace. He had one of the best series in wrestling history with Fujinami." Dave Musgrave "Choshu brought that almost unparalleled ability to make everything feel important. Wherever he was seemed to be the eye of the storm in Japanese wrestling. Great tag wrestler, worked with an intensity that made his limited move set irrelevant. As I worked through every last bit of footage from '80s NJ and AJ, I was always excited when I saw his name in a match listing." Childs Recommended Matches: Riki Choshu vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 4/3/1983) Riki Choshu & Yoshiaki Yatsu vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Genichiro Tenryu (AJPW, 1/28/1986) Riki Choshu vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW, 1/4/1992)
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42 - Ted DiBiase 2006 Ranking: 40 Points: 5637 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 110 Average Vote: 49.77 High Vote: 7 Low Vote: 99 Discussion Thread "I wish we had access to matches from alternate universes so we could see what it would have been like if he had gotten Flair's spot as NWA Champion." Dave Musgrave "I'd highlight five aspects of his work that are generally outstanding: 1. Intensity of offense. 2. Bumping and feeding. 3. Execution. 4. Character work (i.e. in the ring). 5. Involvement in legendary feuds and angles (in and out of the ring)." jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Ted DiBiase vs Jim Duggan (Mid South, 3/22/1985) Ted DiBiase vs Ric Flair (Mid South, 11/6/1985) Ted DiBiase vs Tiger Mask II (AJPW, 7/19/1987)
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43 - Rick Martel 2006 Ranking: 96 Points: 5636 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 104 Average Vote: 46.82 High Vote: 8 Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "His pre-Model gimmick work is what makes him an easy pick for this list. I like his WWF work as the Model and as a babyface tag team worker too, but it's his AWA work that makes him an all-time great." stunning_grover "Just a remarkable career, starting with incredible babyface runs and ending with an improbable late renaissance in WCW. And The Model stuff isn't THAT bad!" Jon Burr "Perennially underrated with excellent work in many different countries. One of the best babyface wrestlers of all time. I wish his Model run went a little better though..." Dylan Harris "He is thought of as a classic scientific babyface but i think he is underrated for being a great-wrestling big man." Dave Musgrave "phenomenal babyface, think he's been great in 80-81 WWF, and a lot of good performances in the AWA. One of the very best comebacks in the business. Great sense of fire and energy in everything he does. Will potentially finish above Ricky Steamboat. The embodiment of everything I think a babyface should be. Jack Brisco will do well to finish above Martel -- even if Brisco fathered the style that Martel mastered. He was pretty sexy too." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Rick Martel vs Jumbo Tsuruta (AWA, 5/13/1984) Rick Martel vs Ric Flair (AJPW, 10/21/1985) Rick Martel vs Jake Roberts (Blindfold, WWF WrestleMania VII, 3/24/1991)
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Completely disagreed. No way the average fan votes this high for Valentine, Garvin, Martel, Buddy Rose, El Dandy, etc.. How is Lawler still alive? Tamura made top 100. Come on... just because Brock made the list or some shit. I participated a ton and had Brock and Punk on my list too.
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44 - Tully Blanchard 2006 Ranking: 57 Points: 5610 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 1 Top 10 Votes: 1 # of Ballots: 109 Average Vote: 49.64 High Vote: 3 (Scarlet-Left) Low Vote: 98 Discussion Thread "As a heel performer he did a lot of cheating, begging off and exaggerated selling. In other words, he was a great classic heel." stunning_grover "One of the ultimate heels of his era and a guy who you knew every time he got in the ring would deliver whether it was against Dusty Rhodes or Buzz Tyler. Tully was one of the best workers in a promotion that was filled with great workers and then when he became a tag-team wrestler with Arn Anderson they formed one of the best teams of the decade." Kris Zellner Recommended Matches: Tully Blanchard vs Ricky Steamboat (NWA Starrcade, 11/22/1984) Tully Blanchard vs Magnum TA (I Quit Cage, NWA Starrcade, 11/28/1985) Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson vs Lex Luger & Barry Windham (NWA Clash of the Champions, 3/27/1988)
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Harley Race hasn't appeared yet. Grimmas I'd be curious to hear you give your reasons for hating Harley so much. In his thread your points were basically 1) he does lots of moves 2) he doesn't sell 3) one time he did a piledriver on the floor to S.D. Jones. Does that sum it up or is there more? I have never once watched a Harley match and thought Harley was great. Harley does a lot of big moves and throws a lot of offense which doesn't seem to mean much. He just seems like a go who was all action and no substance. I've watched a bunch of his "classics" and I think they are only classics because he wrestles like a wrestler from the 90s/2000s but in the 70s. I just don't see him as great, nor seen any of his matches as great.
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45 - Harley Race 2006 Ranking: 12 Points: 5374 #1 Votes: 1 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 8 # of Ballots: 93 Average Vote: 43.78 High Vote: 1 (Manatee) Low Vote: 97 Discussion Thread "Arguably the greatest NWA World Heavyweight Champion. One of the best American workers of the 1970s. Continued to be a great worker throughout the early 1980s. Still gave fun performances during the mid and late 1980s." stunning_grover "The King of not only 70s wrasslin' but also of the big bumpin' heel style. Enjoyed him much more when he wasn't a touring champion, but his offense and presence were undeniable at no matter what phase of his career one encounters." Jon Burr "I've been plodding through Harley's career on tape in the microscope. I think he's a very easy to watch guy because he worked such an action heavy style. I think he's been a bit unfairly maligned as "the Kurt Angle" of the 70s / early 80s. Near complete wrestler insomuch as he was superb bumping and selling and superb on offense, both things that people can take too easily for granted. If "psychology" means working a body part, it's true that most of the time it's not there. But Harley has other skills, such as making it seem like any opponent no matter how scrub-like has a chance, making babyfaces look like world beaters and still somehow coming out looking like a tough guy. If I have a problem with him it's not that he had no psychology, it's that he worked far too weak, which if nothing else is a real waste of all those big bombs in his arsenal. I hate the bouts vs. Steamboat and Backlund for this reason. Much better when he's allowed proper periods on offense like vs. Martel in 85 and vs. Hogan in 87. Also has great clips vs. Terry Funk and DiBiase, both of whom he had great chemistry with." Jerryvonkramer Recommended Matches: Harley Race vs Jumbo Tsuruta (AJPW, 6/11/1977) Harley Race vs Giant Baba (AJPW, 10/31/1979) Harley Race vs Rick Martel (AWA, 4/20/1986)
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All settled. Plans are being formed. First big angle planned. Roster being finalized. All will be ready to go in the next week.
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Harley Race hasn't appeared yet.
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46 - CM Punk 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (425) Points: 5334 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 0 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 3 # of Ballots: 105 Average Vote: 50.22 High Vote: 7 (jpchicago23) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "Punk, Danielson and Joe are like the three musketeers of the indy dream style. Punk has been the most successful of the three at the highest level and I think he will be appreciated even more with time." Dave Musgrave "CM Punk's rise in WWE saved my wrestling fandom after several years of WWE declining in quality." Moonsault Marvin "One of the few wrestlers whose character comes through in almost everything they do in the ring, jumping up several levels beyond what his matches would be otherwise. And, for all the knocks his in ring work takes from a lot of people, there is a pretty solid list of wrestlers who had their best matches against Punk, and I think that might end up being a big part of my voting criteria." Shining Wiz "I ended up having him way, way higher than I thought I would but as I was doing head-to-heads with him and other wrestlers I kept convincing myself that he had the stronger argument. Consistency is pretty clearly his weakest point, and it's one of the things I have found I most look for it, so it was odd to me to see him where I had him in the end. But as I looked at the guys around him I couldn't argue against it. Being able to make me give a shit about his character AND deliver great matches at least a half dozen times in major feuds/storylines over this ten year period is a massive plus to me given where wrestling is right now." Dylan Waco Recommended Matches: CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (ROH, 10/16/2004) CM Punk vs John Cena (WWE Money in the Bank, 7/17/2011) CM Punk vs The Undertaker (WWE WrestleMania, 4/7/2013)
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47 - Brock Lesnar 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (143) Points: 5265 #1 Votes: 0 #2 Votes: 1 #3 Votes: 0 Top 10 Votes: 2 # of Ballots: 110 Average Vote: 53.32 High Vote: 2 (Scott Bernard) Low Vote: 100 Discussion Thread "You know how most wrestling fans view Undertaker matches as must-see, spectacular events? Pssssttt, that's Brock Lesnar's reality. Appointment viewing." Jon Burr "He's one of those guys who has such an aura about him that makes him endlessly watchable. He's an amazing big man who can do so much and give so much. His first WWE run is great, his current run has chock full of superlative matches that look like nothing else in WWE history. He's just something else." Jimmy Redman "His career somehow feels less complete than Han's, though I'm not sure that's right. There's something special about Brock that makes him hard to dismiss, despite the limited weight of his resume. I can't imagine anybody else having those matches with Cena, for example." Childs Recommended Matches: Brock Lesnar vs Eddie Guerrero (WWE No Way Out, 2/15/2004) Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (WWE Extreme Rules, 4/29/2012) Brock Lesnar vs CM Punk (WWE SummerSlam, 8/18/2013)