Grimmas

I'm Eastern. Here is where we are: World Wrestling Entertainment Owner: Vince McMahon Booker: @ColdStone Talent: Stephanie McMahon, Shane McMahon, & Triple H World Championship Wrestling Owner: Ted Turner Booker: @Scarlet-Left Extreme Championship Wrestling Owner: Tommy Dreamer Booker: @ohheylook International Wrestling Council Owner: Ron Skoler Booker: Grimmas New Japan Pro Wrestling Owner: Bushiroad Booker: @Captain Redneck Universal Wrestling Federation Owner: Yoshiaki Fujiwara Booker: @superkix I will update this as people give me the details. You get a logical owner (so WCW someone like the Rhodes family, so you get Cody, Goldust, Brandi or Eric Bischoff, or Turner). WWE is stuck with that, makes sense. NJPW could switch from Bushiroad to Inoki if wanted. ECW, I assume Heyman, but you let me know. After this I will make a draft list with a randomizer. I think each odd round random, even round a snake of the previous. We need a final ruling on injuries, to create a random system, ignore everything, or use real life (with a grace period to fix your booking) and injured current wrestlers can be drafted just not used till they return in real life. Then we'll start off Wednesday morning.

Yeah I think once someone drafts an 8 hour timer starts, if 8 hours pass and you miss your pick, you just pick as soon as you can, however the draft continues. We can start Wedneday, I guess?

I may do CHIKARA instead.. still debating.

So we have: WWE WCW ECW NJPW UWF AAA That's a pretty awesome set up. I think we could wait till anyone else joins up, and just have a few more people weight in on the injury argument and we could set a draft time up. Due to people working and stuff we should give people time to draft if need be.

Thanks, I get the argument now. If it's fantasy it should be all fantasy. My pro real life injuries argument is, 1 it is easier to do, randomizing means making up a system, 2 it would feel weird using someone with current dates and times that is severely injured or died. I'm not going to die on this hill, but I prefer one for sure and those 2 reasons are my main reasons. Also see my post from a few seconds ago about giving time to deal with the injuries in game. I would say people who are currently injured would be draftable, just not usable until they return. So you could draft Roman in the hopes he returns and then you get his big return angle. That is how I'd deal with someone currently injured.

Just to modify, I would say if they are injured on TV then you have till your next TV to give them an injury. If on PPV you have to give the injury on the PPV. If on a house show you can right them out in an angle on TV. That would give you time to plan, so it's not like injured means you are screwed immediately, but you have time to react.

I don't think we need a cap, I think we are all smart enough to know. Look at the WWE, NJPW, AJPW, and look at their rosters. You know what is too much for gaijins. I think we can leave it up to our own discretion. I think available to draft is anybody not retired, but be smart. Don't draft someone like Konnan and have him wrestle each week. We know where he is at in his career. Upon reflection I think I am going with AAA, but the AAA that ran LA in 1993. As for injuries, I don't know. For people against real life injuries what do you think of using Roman Reigns? What is the argument against using real life major injuries? If it's because it will screw up your plans, why do you want a random injury system then? I'm not understanding the argument to be honest. I'm cool with whatever we decide and not trying to be dismissive, I'm just having trouble grasping. What is the argument against real world injuries (like just major ones, not someone skipping one show)?

I don't see why not. I would just remind them that they are Japanese promotions and they shouldn't have a mostly American roster. Same with American promotions drafting Japanese folks.

I'd say take ECW then! WWE WCW ECW NJPW UWF plus my whatever promotion still deciding.

Yeah, we haven't finalized yet. What are you thinking, it's looking like we have: WWE WCW NJPW UWF plus either ECW, a Canadian or women's promotion or an indie for me or a los angeles lucha promotion. What are you thinking exactly?

By the way, I am debating promotions. My question to @ColdStone and @Scarlet-Left is are either or both of you planning on doing a women's division or going strictly with men?

So that's perfect. Two companies in Japan, so it's not a monopoly and one more focused on shoot style while the other on strong style. I like that.

Any promotions really. UWF Japan or UWF Bill Watts or UWF Herb Abrams?

I watched my first BTE. What a waste of time. I learned nothing and I don't care about these folks, so I was bored. All of the Scrull-Omega stuff was horrible comedy. Yeah, I hope this isn't what AEW is.

To clarify what I mean for real life injuries, I don't mean somebody has a nagging injury or they miss a house show or something. I'm talking about something like Dean was last year or Roman now, someone who is taken off tv for a long while. A major injury thing.

Being WCW is perfect. Unless anyone else wants to join we have WWE (ColdStone) WCW (Scarlet) NJPW (Redneck) ECW or Canada or SHIMMER (myself) That's almost a perfect base. I'm willing to switch around if others join up, but let's start planning. Do you think we could start drafting Wednesday or is that too early or should we do it on a Saturday? As for rules, thoughts on injuries? I say real life, because it just feels right and adds some twists and will lead to some fun returns and such, however we could do some kind of random dice chance option. Do we want that legacy option as I mentioned above? Cards posted with real time seems good. Roster sizes up to you folks, we draft everybody (wrestlers, announcers, managers, authorties, whatever you want to use) but referees and ring announcer and backstage people are irrelevant. If this is the whole crew, we can discuss ownership like McMahons to WWE, that stuff is easy. We can discuss future drafts for other talent or maybe we use a wavier wire. Say someone like a Timothy Thatcher is not drafted, but somebody wants to use him. They can say the want to bring him on and for 24 hours others can also try to claim him. The person who gets him is hire up on the wire, so maybe the waiver wire starts as reverse of the draft order but once you claim someone you go to the bottom? Any other rules that should be discussed too?

Awesome, if everybody else could give a list of their top choice and some others they would be willing to do and we'll figure things out. Order of joining game, so kind of priority, but we'll negotiate. 1. Grimmas (ECW, SHIMMER, CHIKARA, Stampede, Maple Leaf Wrestling, or IWC) 2. @superkix (if still in) 3. @ColdStone (WWE or AEW) 4. @Scarlet-Left (???) 5. @Captain Redneck (NJPW, AJPW, or NOAH)

NXT could be its own promotion... or nobody can take them at all. That's the fun. I think the franchise thing works that almost every former promotion has someone well associated with it. ECW-Heyman WCW-Bischoff/Jarrett/Tony S./Jim Ross... Stampede-Bret Hart SMW-Cornette USWA-Lawler if we did the draft thing, it kind of handicaps promotions that are active, because if you pick a defunct promotion you get a first overall pick from anywhere, while the active promotions first pick is only their promotion. If that makes sense?

I forgot, Stampede or Maple Leaf Wrestling is a possibility

Yeah, owners would be the logical conclusion except dead promotions. You could have WCW owned by Turner, Bischoff, or even The Rhodes Family if done. Same with ECW. If NXT is a thing, then they could be broken off with Trips and Steph or just one and they get a divorce. I think having an authority figure or caps on things is not really needed. You pick enough people in the draft that you need. A promotion like a PWG doesn't need the roster size of a WWE. Same with authority figures, managers, etc.. everybody can have different amounts or none. I think for the draft, round 1 is promotion followed by declaring ownership (if not obvious). The rest of the rounds are free for all, if you want to be like CHIKARA and have the wrestlers do commentary when they aren't wrestling go for it. Referees we can skip, so just make it a free for all? We all bow out of the draft when we feel we have enough. Maybe every couple of months we do some kind of draft with whoever is not picked, because there will be LOTS and some many even emerge over that time. One rule that may make sense, maybe not, is some kind of loyalty pick for each company. Say you are the WWE you can take one person, like a John Cena for free. Someone that would not make sense in another company. If you are a dead company, maybe just someone that was on that roster that would make sense? For example ECW maybe you can save a Tommy Dreamer who is still around or a Don Callis or something? Just spitballing on that one. Maybe we don't even need to draft the promotions, maybe we can just make an agreement for what people want. I have no interest in WWE. Moderate interest in WCW. ECW would be ideal, but I'd be cool with a SHIMMER or a IWC (The company that ran the AAA shows in Los Angeles in the 90s to huge draws), or something else smaller. Maybe CHIKARA or IWA-MS.

I agree with the draft unrealistic can work, but if you are going for a theme maybe stick with it? Like a death match promotion with ZSJ as the main star doing death matches is wrong. Him doing an anti death match tour in a death match promotion could work... I think the thing I want to avoid is 5 even rosters all being a national promotion all doing the same thing. Variety is the key. I will do variety at the very least. As for injuries, I'd be up for whatever. I do think restrictions helps creativity and if I built up a program between Joe and WALTER and Joe got injured a week before the match, it would force me to be more creative. Real life promotions have to do that. Also, Roman Reigns has cancer seems kind of odd to use him as a top star until he's actually back. That would be my argument.

Maple Leaf Gardens is REALLY expensive, so that is probably why. Ted Reeve sucks, I hate that ROH always runs there. It's at a go station and subway stop so that is good, but outside of that it's a sucky arena.

I agree. A wcw now, I wonder what kind of roster... A wcw, wwe, ecw, base with two indies could work. I said ecw first, but I'd be willing to go smaller for sure or take a shimmer, but making it bigger. The only concern, hope, I have is that people try to be semi realistic. Someone say taking a small indie and their top pick is brock Lesnar sounds wrong to me. Unless it's in Minnesota and runs monthly so he hardly has to work?

They have taped a bunch here in Toronto, but I have not been motivated to attend. Sounds like maybe I should?

Something like independentwrestling.tv is good, because you can follow a bunch of different promotions. You get Beyond and Chikara, but a lot of other awesome companies too.