Grimmas

Companies: World Wrestling Entertainment Owner: Vince McMahon Booker: @ColdStone Talent: Stephanie McMahon, Shane McMahon, & Triple H World Championship Wrestling Owner: Ted Turner Booker: @Scarlet-Left Extreme Championship Wrestling Owner: Tommy Dreamer Booker: @ohheylook International Wrestling Council Owner: Ron Skoler Booker: Grimmas Ring of Honor Owner: Gabe Sapolsky Booker: @El Dragon New Japan Pro Wrestling Owner: Bushiroad Booker: @Captain Redneck Universal Wrestling Federation Owner: Yoshiaki Fujiwara Booker: @superkix Rules. Referees, backstage staff, ring announcers are not needed to be drafted, assume you get those automatically. You can draft everybody else, make sure you grab an announcer and if you want managers or authority figures our whatever. If you don't want any of those, ignore them. For injured wrestlers, you can draft them, just not use them until they return in real life. Think of what your promotion is and try to draft accordingly (if you are Japanese, draft mostly puro folks, if you are smaller don't go for all big stars, etc...). When your turn comes up you have 8 hours to pick, if you miss that time frame the next person can pick and the draft will continue. You can make your missed pick ASAP. (NFL draft rules). After your pick try to list the next few picks, so people have a head's up. The main results will be updated, when they can, so don't assume they are 100% up to date. Here we go: Round Pick Company Selection 1 1 WWE AJ Styles 2 WCW Charlotte Flair 3 IWC Bárbaro Cavernario 4 NJPW Kazuchika Okada 5 ECW Masashi Takeda 6 UWF Matt Riddle 7 ROH Andrade "Cien" Almas 2 8 ROH Mustafa Ali 9 UWF Katsuhiko Nakajima 10 ECW Nick Gage 11 NJPW Daisuke Sekimoto 12 IWC Sasha Banks 13 WCW Randy Orton 14 WWE Adam Cole 3 15 WWE Seth Rollins 16 UWF Hideki Suzuki 17 ECW Darby Allin 18 NJPW Kento Miyahara 19 IWC Rey Fenix 20 WCW Finn Balor 21 ROH Pete Dunne 4 22 ROH Drew McIntyre 23 WCW Sheamus 24 IWC Pentagon Jr. 25 NJPW Yuji Okabayshi 26 ECW David Starr 27 UWF Timothy Thatcher 28 WWE Daniel Bryan 5 29 UWF Minoru Suzuki 30 NJPW Kota Ibushi 31 ECW LAX (Santana) 32 WCW Cesaro 33 IWC LA Park 34 WWE Johnny Gargano 35 ROH Becky Lynch 6 36 ROH Scott Dawson 37 WWE John Cena 38 IWC Bayley 39 WCW Rey Mysterio Jr 40 ECW LAX (Ortiz) 41 NJPW Will Ospreay 42 UWF Alexander Rusev 7 43 ECW “Filthy” Tom Lawlor 44 UWF Takuya Nomura 45 WCW Shayna Baszler 46 IWC Jay Briscoe 47 NJPW Zach Sabre Jr. 48 WWE Brock Lesnar 49 ROH Samoa Joe 8 50 ROH PAC 51 WWE Ricochet 52 NJPW WALTER 53 IWC Mark Briscoe 54 WCW Asuka 55 UWF Fuminori Abe 56 ECW Chris Dickinson 9 57 UWF Kushida 58 NJPW Jake Hager 59 WWE The Undertaker 60 ECW Velveteen Dream 61 IWC Rush 62 WCW Ronda Rousey 63 ROH Meiko Satomura 10 64 ROH Buddy Murphy 65 WCW Dean Ambrose 66 IWC Dragon Lee 67 ECW Stokely Hathaway 68 WWE Kyle O"Reilly 69 NJPW Shinsuke Nakamura 70 UWF Tomohiro Ishii 11 71 WWE Bobby Fish 72 NJPW Tetsuya Naito 73 IWC Bandido 74 ROH Roderick Strong 75 ECW Jeff Cobb 76 WCW Bobby Roode 77 UWF Koji Iwamoto 12 78 UWF Kazusada Higuchi 79 WCW James Storm 80 ECW Trevor Lee 81 ROH Jack Gallagher 82 IWC Mike Bailey 83 NJPW EVIL 84 WWE The Miz 13 85 ECW Big E 86 WCW Chris Jericho 87 IWC CIMA 88 WWE Paul Heyman 89 NJPW Sanada 90 ROH Austin Aries 91 UWF Yuji Nagata 14 92 UWF Jun Akiyama 93 ROH Bianca Belair 94 NJPW Joe Doering 95 WWE Jimmy Uso 96 IWC Kairi Sane 97 WCW Bray Wyatt 98 ECW Chuck Taylor 15 99 ROH Ruby Riott 100 WCW Chad Gable 101 WWE Jey Uso 102 ECW Trent? 103 UWF Jonathon Gresham 104 NJPW Lance Archer 105 IWC Gran Metalik/Mascara Dorada 16 106 IWC Chris Hero/Kassius Ohno 107 NJPW Kaito Kiyomiya 108 UWF Shuji Ishikawa 109 ECW Hijo del Vikingo 110 WWE Dolph Ziggler 111 WCW Shelton Benjamin 112 ROH Low-Ki 17 113 IWC Flamita 114 WWE Aleister Black 115 WCW Tessa Blanchard 116 UWF Dick Togo 117 NJPW Jake Lee 118 ROH Ember Moon 119 ECW El Lindaman 18 120 ECW PCO 121 ROH Tyler Breeze 122 NJPW Toa Henare 123 UWF Takashi Suguira 124 WCW Cody Rhodes 125 WWE Kenny Omega 126 IWC Volador Jr. 19 127 IWC Tracy Williams 128 ROH Tyler Bate 129 WWE Karl Anderson 130 WCW Eric Young 131 ECW Oney Lorcan/Biff Busick 132 UWF Drew Gulak 133 NJPW Naoya Nomura 20 134 NJPW Yuma Aoyagi 135 UWF Shotaro Ashino 136 ECW MOOSE 137 WCW Alexander Wolfe 138 WWE Luke Gallows 139 ROH Trent Seven 140 IWC Mercedes Martinez 21 141 NJPW Hiroshi Tanahashi 142 ECW Jiro Ikemen Kuroshio 143 ROH Juice Robinson 144 WCW Nick Aldis 145 UWF Daisuke Sasaki 146 WWE EC3 147 IWC Rey Hechicero 22 148 IWC Mayu Iwatani 149 WWE Nick Jackson 150 UWF KENTA 151 WCW Davey Boy Smith Jr. 152 ROH Sami Zayn 153 ECW James Drake 154 NJPW Jay White 23 155 UWF Kota Umeda 156 ECW Anthony Henry 157 WWE Matt Jackson 158 WCW Kofi Kingston 159 NJPW KAI 160 ROH Kevin Owens 161 IWC Kimber Lee 24 162 IWC Luke Harper 163 ROH Io Shirai 164 NJPW Togi Makabe 165 WCW Extreme Tiger 166 WWE Jeff Hardy 167 ECW Zeus 168 UWF TAKA Michinoku 25 169 ECW Bodyguard 170 IWC Mike Quackenbush 171 ROH Killian Dane 172 WWE Tomasso Ciampa 173 UWF Shinya Aoki 174 NJPW Hirooki Goto 175 WCW Jim Cornette 26 176 WCW Kalisto 177 NJPW Ryoji Sai 178 UWF Hikaru Sato 179 WWE Jim Ross 180 ROH Michael Cole 181 IWC Kamaitachi 182 ECW Demus 3:16 27 183 ROH Mil Muertes/Ricky Banderes 184 WCW Sin Cara (Hunico) 185 NJPW Masa Kitamiya 186 WWE Nigel McGuinness 187 IWC Toni Storm 188 UWF Go Shiozaki 189 ECW Ciclope 28 190 ECW Miedo Xtremo 191 UWF Kengo Mashimo 192 IWC Allie 193 WWE Matt Taven 194 NJPW Mark Coffey 195 WCW Rachel Ellering 196 ROH Dalton Castle 29 197 ROH Sonya Deville 198 WWE Mike Bennett 199 UWF Keisuke Okuda 200 IWC Rosemary 201 WCW PJ Black 202 ECW SUGI 203 NJPW Joe Coffey 30 204 NJPW Kenoh 205 ECW Aramis 206 WCW Kagetsu 207 IWC Fire Ant 208 UWF Sho Tanaka 209 WWE Jay Lethal 210 ROH Mandy Rose forfeited31 211 ROH Eddie Kingston 212 IWC Green Ant 213 NJPW Rampage Brown 214 ECW Shingo Takagi 215 UWF Yukio Sakaguchi 216 WCW Fred Rosser (Darren Young) 217 WWE Lashley 32 218 WWE Zach Ryder & Curt Hawkins 219 WCW Konami & Curtis Axel 220 UWF Munenori Sawa & Katsuyori Shibata 221 ECW Alex Colon & 2 Cold Scorpio 222 NJPW Yuji Hino & Maybach Taniguchi 223 IWC Mia Yim & Deonna Purazzo 224 ROH Christopher Daniels & Keith Lee 33 225 WWE The Rock & Shawn Michaels 226 ROH Tenille Dashwood & Beth Phoenix 227 ECW forfeited 228 IWC Kay Lee Ray & Jordynne Grace 229 UWF 230 NJPW Cody Hall & Manabu Soya 231 WCW Nicole Savoy & Tim Storm 34 232 WCW Johnny Mundo & Tony Schivone 233 NJPW Tama Tonga & Suwama 234 UWF forfeited 235 IWC UltraMantis Black & Templaro 236 ECW forfeited 237 ROH Lio Rish & Montez Ford 238 WWE Roman Reigns & CM Punk

Random. Snake. Random. Snake! Yeah, it's confusing but the fairest way. I don't understand why most fantasy drafts are random round 1 then snake forever. Random every other, I say!

So, I guess we are good to draft whenever then? If we all agree injured folks are draftable you just can't use them until they return in real life? I randomized and snaked the first ten rounds, here is the draft order: Round 1 1 WWE 2 WCW 3 IWC 4 NJPW 5 ECW 6 UWF 2 7 UWF 8 ECW 9 NJPW 10 IWC 11 WCW 12 WWE 3 13 WWE 14 UWF 15 ECW 16 NJPW 17 IWC 18 WCW 4 19 WCW 20 IWC 21 NJPW 22 ECW 23 UWF 24 WWE 5 25 UWF 26 NJPW 27 ECW 28 WCW 29 IWC 30 WWE 6 31 WWE 32 IWC 33 WCW 34 ECW 35 NJPW 36 UWF 7 37 ECW 38 UWF 39 WCW 40 IWC 41 NJPW 42 WWE 8 43 WWE 44 NJPW 45 IWC 46 WCW 47 UWF 48 ECW 9 49 UWF 50 NJPW 51 WWE 52 ECW 53 IWC 54 WCW 10 55 WCW 56 IWC 57 ECW 58 WWE 59 NJPW 60 UWF I can start a draft thread and WWE can go whenever we are ready.

I've decided. International Wrestling Council with owner Ron Skoler. They ran the AAA shows in LA, so it will be a lucha libre promotion based in LA using luchadores and locals (just like they did with Jake Roberts, Tito Santana, etc..). We'll say IWC was working with a lucha to send talent, but the talent liked the money and stuff of the USA and IWC stole everybody.

I've written out plans for both CHIKARA and a lucha promotion. So fucking hard to decide.

I'm Eastern. Here is where we are: World Wrestling Entertainment Owner: Vince McMahon Booker: @ColdStone Talent: Stephanie McMahon, Shane McMahon, & Triple H World Championship Wrestling Owner: Ted Turner Booker: @Scarlet-Left Extreme Championship Wrestling Owner: Tommy Dreamer Booker: @ohheylook International Wrestling Council Owner: Ron Skoler Booker: Grimmas New Japan Pro Wrestling Owner: Bushiroad Booker: @Captain Redneck Universal Wrestling Federation Owner: Yoshiaki Fujiwara Booker: @superkix I will update this as people give me the details. You get a logical owner (so WCW someone like the Rhodes family, so you get Cody, Goldust, Brandi or Eric Bischoff, or Turner). WWE is stuck with that, makes sense. NJPW could switch from Bushiroad to Inoki if wanted. ECW, I assume Heyman, but you let me know. After this I will make a draft list with a randomizer. I think each odd round random, even round a snake of the previous. We need a final ruling on injuries, to create a random system, ignore everything, or use real life (with a grace period to fix your booking) and injured current wrestlers can be drafted just not used till they return in real life. Then we'll start off Wednesday morning.

Yeah I think once someone drafts an 8 hour timer starts, if 8 hours pass and you miss your pick, you just pick as soon as you can, however the draft continues. We can start Wedneday, I guess?

I may do CHIKARA instead.. still debating.

So we have: WWE WCW ECW NJPW UWF AAA That's a pretty awesome set up. I think we could wait till anyone else joins up, and just have a few more people weight in on the injury argument and we could set a draft time up. Due to people working and stuff we should give people time to draft if need be.

Thanks, I get the argument now. If it's fantasy it should be all fantasy. My pro real life injuries argument is, 1 it is easier to do, randomizing means making up a system, 2 it would feel weird using someone with current dates and times that is severely injured or died. I'm not going to die on this hill, but I prefer one for sure and those 2 reasons are my main reasons. Also see my post from a few seconds ago about giving time to deal with the injuries in game. I would say people who are currently injured would be draftable, just not usable until they return. So you could draft Roman in the hopes he returns and then you get his big return angle. That is how I'd deal with someone currently injured.

Just to modify, I would say if they are injured on TV then you have till your next TV to give them an injury. If on PPV you have to give the injury on the PPV. If on a house show you can right them out in an angle on TV. That would give you time to plan, so it's not like injured means you are screwed immediately, but you have time to react.

I don't think we need a cap, I think we are all smart enough to know. Look at the WWE, NJPW, AJPW, and look at their rosters. You know what is too much for gaijins. I think we can leave it up to our own discretion. I think available to draft is anybody not retired, but be smart. Don't draft someone like Konnan and have him wrestle each week. We know where he is at in his career. Upon reflection I think I am going with AAA, but the AAA that ran LA in 1993. As for injuries, I don't know. For people against real life injuries what do you think of using Roman Reigns? What is the argument against using real life major injuries? If it's because it will screw up your plans, why do you want a random injury system then? I'm not understanding the argument to be honest. I'm cool with whatever we decide and not trying to be dismissive, I'm just having trouble grasping. What is the argument against real world injuries (like just major ones, not someone skipping one show)?

I don't see why not. I would just remind them that they are Japanese promotions and they shouldn't have a mostly American roster. Same with American promotions drafting Japanese folks.

I'd say take ECW then! WWE WCW ECW NJPW UWF plus my whatever promotion still deciding.

Yeah, we haven't finalized yet. What are you thinking, it's looking like we have: WWE WCW NJPW UWF plus either ECW, a Canadian or women's promotion or an indie for me or a los angeles lucha promotion. What are you thinking exactly?

By the way, I am debating promotions. My question to @ColdStone and @Scarlet-Left is are either or both of you planning on doing a women's division or going strictly with men?

So that's perfect. Two companies in Japan, so it's not a monopoly and one more focused on shoot style while the other on strong style. I like that.

Any promotions really. UWF Japan or UWF Bill Watts or UWF Herb Abrams?

I watched my first BTE. What a waste of time. I learned nothing and I don't care about these folks, so I was bored. All of the Scrull-Omega stuff was horrible comedy. Yeah, I hope this isn't what AEW is.

To clarify what I mean for real life injuries, I don't mean somebody has a nagging injury or they miss a house show or something. I'm talking about something like Dean was last year or Roman now, someone who is taken off tv for a long while. A major injury thing.

Being WCW is perfect. Unless anyone else wants to join we have WWE (ColdStone) WCW (Scarlet) NJPW (Redneck) ECW or Canada or SHIMMER (myself) That's almost a perfect base. I'm willing to switch around if others join up, but let's start planning. Do you think we could start drafting Wednesday or is that too early or should we do it on a Saturday? As for rules, thoughts on injuries? I say real life, because it just feels right and adds some twists and will lead to some fun returns and such, however we could do some kind of random dice chance option. Do we want that legacy option as I mentioned above? Cards posted with real time seems good. Roster sizes up to you folks, we draft everybody (wrestlers, announcers, managers, authorties, whatever you want to use) but referees and ring announcer and backstage people are irrelevant. If this is the whole crew, we can discuss ownership like McMahons to WWE, that stuff is easy. We can discuss future drafts for other talent or maybe we use a wavier wire. Say someone like a Timothy Thatcher is not drafted, but somebody wants to use him. They can say the want to bring him on and for 24 hours others can also try to claim him. The person who gets him is hire up on the wire, so maybe the waiver wire starts as reverse of the draft order but once you claim someone you go to the bottom? Any other rules that should be discussed too?

Awesome, if everybody else could give a list of their top choice and some others they would be willing to do and we'll figure things out. Order of joining game, so kind of priority, but we'll negotiate. 1. Grimmas (ECW, SHIMMER, CHIKARA, Stampede, Maple Leaf Wrestling, or IWC) 2. @superkix (if still in) 3. @ColdStone (WWE or AEW) 4. @Scarlet-Left (???) 5. @Captain Redneck (NJPW, AJPW, or NOAH)

NXT could be its own promotion... or nobody can take them at all. That's the fun. I think the franchise thing works that almost every former promotion has someone well associated with it. ECW-Heyman WCW-Bischoff/Jarrett/Tony S./Jim Ross... Stampede-Bret Hart SMW-Cornette USWA-Lawler if we did the draft thing, it kind of handicaps promotions that are active, because if you pick a defunct promotion you get a first overall pick from anywhere, while the active promotions first pick is only their promotion. If that makes sense?

I forgot, Stampede or Maple Leaf Wrestling is a possibility

Yeah, owners would be the logical conclusion except dead promotions. You could have WCW owned by Turner, Bischoff, or even The Rhodes Family if done. Same with ECW. If NXT is a thing, then they could be broken off with Trips and Steph or just one and they get a divorce. I think having an authority figure or caps on things is not really needed. You pick enough people in the draft that you need. A promotion like a PWG doesn't need the roster size of a WWE. Same with authority figures, managers, etc.. everybody can have different amounts or none. I think for the draft, round 1 is promotion followed by declaring ownership (if not obvious). The rest of the rounds are free for all, if you want to be like CHIKARA and have the wrestlers do commentary when they aren't wrestling go for it. Referees we can skip, so just make it a free for all? We all bow out of the draft when we feel we have enough. Maybe every couple of months we do some kind of draft with whoever is not picked, because there will be LOTS and some many even emerge over that time. One rule that may make sense, maybe not, is some kind of loyalty pick for each company. Say you are the WWE you can take one person, like a John Cena for free. Someone that would not make sense in another company. If you are a dead company, maybe just someone that was on that roster that would make sense? For example ECW maybe you can save a Tommy Dreamer who is still around or a Don Callis or something? Just spitballing on that one. Maybe we don't even need to draft the promotions, maybe we can just make an agreement for what people want. I have no interest in WWE. Moderate interest in WCW. ECW would be ideal, but I'd be cool with a SHIMMER or a IWC (The company that ran the AAA shows in Los Angeles in the 90s to huge draws), or something else smaller. Maybe CHIKARA or IWA-MS.