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Hansen is one of a tiny handful of guys, along with Terry Funk, Rey Mysterio and Eddie that seem to get universal respect. I'm not so sure about Hansen as a GOAT candidate though; his singles work in All Japan was far from consistent in terms of greatness. However I can't pass full judgment without having seen much of his work outside Japan.
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Random thing: People who are more WWF/WWE oriented tend to prefer Bret. Yet Flair absolutely crushes Bret as a promo... which you'd think might make him appeal more to WWF/WWE fans. I get why in-ring work is the crux of the matter; that's how I tend to rate guys. But promos have pretty much been ignored here and I think it's such a cut-and-dry difference that to say Bret's in-ring work was SO MUCH BETTER than Flair's as to negate the promos as well seems far-fetched. Then again I think saying Bret's body of work matches Flair's is far-fetched...
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Damn that channel is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJunwXgyN6E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzHepZr2UUE
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IGF uses a mix of pro wrestlers and MMA guys because that's Inoki's fetish. It runs only at mid-to-large venues several times a year and I can only imagine it's a yakuza money laundering outfit because it has to lose massive amounts of money. New Japan and UFC, respectively. New Japan Also, I have a feeling New Japan is so popular in large part because of doing iPPVs and being what puro newbies of the last few years are following, along with the utter collapse of NOAH.
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[1991-01-15-AJPW-New Year Giant Series] Toshiaki Kawada vs Akira Taue
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in January 1991
Also, I have this in the top 50 AJ matches for the '90s. It finished 38th in the poll I did five years ago. Great stuff. -
Silva/Sonnen is CLEARLY the best pro wrestling feud of the year...
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And the only person in the last ~20 years to use it is... Roderick Strong.
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Having watched several Robinson '70s matches back-to-back, I found him remarkably adaptable and non-repetitive.
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[1991-01-15-AJPW-New Year Giant Series] Toshiaki Kawada vs Akira Taue
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in January 1991
My favorite thing isn't even the brawl aspect. It's how effective Taue is in control and how smart the cut-offs are. Kawada gives him most of the match and both guys come out stronger in the end. -
The most unlikely puroresu fan:
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Are there filters on PWO? Either way I'm really confused...
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There's no way leaving the country for tax purposes is something a person can overcome in politics. In the US it would be about not loving America enough; in France (I'm guessing) it would be about not loving France enough to pay his share. Plus the corruption stuff. Or are people more forgiving in France? They certainly are in Italy given how long Berlusconi survived.
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I'll add that quite often, a match is considered 'great' based on one spot or a particular sequence or a hot three minutes at the end. I've seen people call the Shawn vs Flair WM match an all-time great and it's clear that 99% is based on "I'm sorry, I love you". So, a match that's actually 5-10 minutes of great content from bell-to-bell can absolutely measure up to a 25 minute match with like 3-4 minutes of great content and 21 minutes of 'good'.
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I think the "why was it MOTY in '91" answer is that the 'workrate match' was still novel in the US at that time. Which is also why I think J Cup '94 got such over-the-top rave reviews. "Wow, a WHOLE CARD of little guys doing spots rather than just 5 minutes somewhere on the undercard?!"
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Masa Funaki vs Nakano from UWF in 1989 goes under 10 minutes yet it feels 'complete' and is undeniably great. So, no, it doesn't have to be long. That said, very few 'great' matches are under 15 minutes.
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Apparently the election was a Loser Leaves Town match... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22...llion-fund.html
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Couldn't agree more. Match after match doesn't hold up, and the reason is that they're spot wrestlers with no sense of structure. Structure is absolutely vital to tag wrestling, and even the less-regarded (as workers) Road Warriors 'got it' more than the Steiners.
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That explains so much. I've seen the Global matches and was really unimpressed in the context of seeing them pimped as MOTYCs. Then I saw the high praise for the PWA matches and was confused, but since they're different matches it makes sense.
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Fujinami suffered a really bad back injury that, I think, broke his spirit (and his athleticism).
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It's not about whether Harley is great; he was. It's whether he was a best of all time in the world caliber... which I think he clearly wasn't. Capable on the mic, sure, but is he even top 100 as a talker? Likewise, he drew well in some areas, but is he top 25 as a draw in terms of big gates and improving business? Are there *not* 25 better workers? If he's not top 25 in some aspect he can't possibly be in the discussion for GOAT.
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-Wagner should have gotten the singles title; the '98-'99 IWGP singles bouts are almost entirely forgettable. -NJ Classics stopped in early '97 IIRC, or at least we don't have it any more recently over here. However, I think there's enough between comms, main TV and Samurai to get a good sense of the division... it's just that it takes a lot more shows to go through than in the middle of the decade and pretty much nobody did so for late '90s.
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The more Race I see, the less I can understand the case for him as a GOAT candidate. Is he even top 10 as a worker in the "old-school NWA-style" camp? Certainly isn't top 5 for that group, let alone for all other styles. Not particularly impressive on the mic or a big draw. He's a hall-of-famer and could well be top 50 all time, but not a serious candidate for GOAT. Bock absolutely smokes him in-ring and on the mic.
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I think the thing holding Bock back from much GOAT talk is how little footage there is of the first 2/3rds of his career. The guy debuted in 1955 and was 52 when he dropped the title to Hennig. I love me some Bock, but are there enough great matches in the ~10 years of footage to put him in the absolute top tier?
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I think Loss is mostly talking about '97-'99. And I have a one-word answer to his question: events. Specifically, there weren't any all-star junior events to attract a specific focus ala J Cup, J Crown. Since NJ Heavies weren't in vogue (and shouldn't really have been from '97-'99), people didn't go out of their way to grab NJ TV for clipped juniors bouts. It seems to me that most people saw Best of Super Juniors '97, and after that it was hit-or-miss. I think the division was still perfectly enjoyable and that this time period is seriously underrated. Not chock full of MOTYC, mind you, but lots and lots of *** matches.
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The updates are mindboggling but make much more sense. Faking all that just doesn't fit the MO of a college football player.