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After the opening angle it was obvious that nothing Punk/Cena related would happen until the end. I'm really interested to see if there was a solid/strong opening followed by a prolonged dip followed by a significant uptick at the end.
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I think in the back of a lot of people's minds, be it smarks, marks, or inside WWE, was that Nexus would struggle as a long-term angle because of how green the Nexus members were. That led to a lot of counter-productive booking, but the bottom line is that the Nexus crew simply wasn't going to produce a bunch of superstars. It did a passable, profitable Summerslam buyrate. Who knows what they could have cobbled together to replace it with? That's even MORE the case this year, with how short the bench is in terms of headliners. Without having an angle with momentum among PPV-buyers, this year's Summerslam could have been a disaster. Last night's ladder matches were well-received, but they don't immediately make you want to see what happens at SSlam. Cena/Punk does. And, in contrast with Nexus, Punk comes across as a Big Deal who can be a threat to the Cenas of the world. Previously, Punk had gotten a couple title wins thanks to MitB wins, and his big feud was against Jeff Hardy, who was good at the box office but is someone that's "easy" to be competitive with. Hardy/Punk was profitable thanks to Hardy much more than Punk. This angle breaks Punk away from the upper-midcard pack. Even if it doesn't make that big an impact with the average mark, I think this could make *the office* have confidence in Punk long-term. If the WWE promotional machine really gets behind Punk in the way it didn't get behind most failed main eventers, he can absolutely become a draw.
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[1992-02-29-WWF-Superstars] Funeral Parlor: Jake Roberts & The Undertaker
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in February 1992
I think Undertaker established himself as a top guy the first night, it was just a matter of capitalizing properly. There's the time when he no-sold a title belt shot from Hogan; that was the sort of thing you never saw before. -
I think by the point where you're doing sets of marginal matches, people will already have bought the yearbooks and thus will know what they like and don't like. So promotions/groups of promotions makes more sense to me.
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Yes. This angle ESPECIALLY is designed for "watch the PPV for the payoff", unlike generic feuds where odds are the PPV match won't be conclusive/climactic. And it especially appeals to the hardcore PPV buyers. edit: Based on the song of the week, the phrase "What's up my Nikita?" sprang to mind. edit2: Okay that NOAH story at the end.... wow
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Thanks!
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Link?
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WWE liked Colt enough to hire him once, so it's not THAT huge a leap.
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http://www.whosay.com/DwayneJohnson/videos/46340 Rock rips Cena waaaaaay worse than Punk. Though it's kinda unfair when he can go online and swear but Cena has to be PG. Interesting that he says he'll be returning at MSG, which is Survivor Series. That'll be the 15th anny of his WWF debut at MSG, also Survivor Series.
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That is the best use of real sports in a wrestling promo by orders of magnitude. Wow.
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[1992-02-08-NJPW-Fighting Spirit] Jushin Liger vs Norio Honaga
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in February 1992
Never heard of this one. Will be interested to see if others view it the same way! -
[1992-01-28-AJPW-New Year's Giant Series] Jumbo Tsuruta vs Stan Hansen
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in January 1992
Yup, Scott was on that tour. No others, based on Kobashi's career results. -
No way are those more than a couple minutes each.
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Any Slinger singles matches on TV would have been clipped to hell. I certainly don't recall any.
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Slinger was a 'good hand' who never amounted to anything and was a life-long loss post. I don't think anyone really has an opinion of him because he was so rarely in a match that could amount to anything.
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It's not a reference to them being the four best in company history. It's to them being four great wrestlers getting the spotlight at the same time.
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Taue was solid as a rock. I've watched enough puro to know dogging when I see it; to watch one mediocre worker drag down the performances of those around him. That was NOT an issue with Taue. Least man in a match, yes, but usually only because SOMEONE had to be, and the others were tops in the world. He wasn't in the exact same tier as the other three, but he was an exceptionally good worker for quite a while and deserves to be mentioned in the same breath.
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I'm still waiting on an explanation for why it finished in the top 20 in the DVDVR '90s vote. Really good, mind you, but it's a weird match to overrate.
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And often significantly better video/audio.
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[1992-01-21-AJPW-New Year's Giant Series] Jumbo Tsuruta vs Toshiaki Kawada
Ditch replied to Loss's topic in January 1992
I definitely agree that this is a mostly overlooked gem. It's hurt by the fact that it isn't an important match, and they had a better outing three months earlier. But it's certainly a contender for the top 100 of AJ in the decade, and top 20 (10?) for Japan in '92. -
And of course at this moment in time there was no such thing as Ultimate Warrior so WM6 never happened!
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Watching a match like this *after* the '93 and '96 sets is not a good way to get a sense of why it was rated **** or more by Meltzer at the time. In 2011 we're used to quality 6-man tags from Japan. They were still reasonably novel in '92. Starting with Choshu's Army in '83, you only tended to get a couple good 6-or-more-man tags a year from Japan as a whole. Then AJ found a groove with the Jumbo/Misawa feud and it was good 6-mans every month.
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I wasn't aware this got significant praise. I wouldn't put it in the top 5 for AJ 6-man tags in the year.
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Pretty much anything involving Fuyuki or Kuroda from '99-'01 FMW I've found to be very lacking. And since they're in a large amount of the big matches...
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He faced Onita on 8/28/99 as Muta, with Onita doing a Muta ripoff. Mostly (that I can tell) Mutoh was doing a battle over nWo Japan with Chono, leading to Chono forming Team 2000 at the start of 2000.