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I increasingly think they should do something like that around a big UK show. They could probably charge a million bucks for the tickets and the UK fans would gobble that up. Bulldogs (or at least DBS), Johnny Saint, Lord Alfred Hayes, Regal, (I was going to say Haystacks Calhoun but he's already in). Maybe Big Daddy? Finlay?

I've seen TM61 live but they were against AoP so I don't have a great sense of their size. Are they good candidates for the Cruiserweight tag titles that are being rumored?

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They could do Undertaker related people. From the streak alone: Sid. Bundy. Albert (for NXT as much as anything). Henry. Maybe Bruce Prichard too as Brother Love. And Michelle McCool to boot.

And he is going to do some amazingly stupid things in that match.

I wouldnt blink if Droese got in.

A better question is who doesnt deserve to get in? Whats the limit? John Morrison? Koslov? The Beverly Brothers?

Hey, I'm all for people shattering conventional wisdom with actual footage evidence.

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I'm currently networkless but it's very weird to me how much more into this than the Mid-Atlantic stuff you guys are.

Ok, so to take stock, we've got fxnj off, Tim Evans off, Jmare and Edgar back in. Anyone else?

I have fond memories of his time in the York Foundation as "Hillwilliam James" Gordi....

Theyre going to fly extra guys in for this? Weird.

Sure, So I didn't participate but their rubric was this: N: Nuance (Longevity, Flexibility, Intangibles) J: Jump Up Factor (Memorable Peak Matches, Moments and Storylines) P: Promo Skills & Character Work W: Workrate At which point, in ring work itself shows up in the N (can they work a bunch of different sort of matches/different roles, plus all sort of intangibles stuff), the J (peak matches and moments within matches, plus paid off storylines in ring), P (how well did they portray their character through their ringwork), and obviously W. But a whole bunch of other stuff crops up too. How many memorable moments does a guy like Jericho have? The debut, the promo on Steph, the HHH dusty finish, the tag with Benoit against Austin/HHH, the turn on Rock, winning the unified title, getting turned on by Trish, and on, and on, and on, and on. How about his flexibility? How he changed his character? He's reinvented himself a ton of times and it's worked more often than not. And so on. He definitely does better on this rubric than if it was just the work alone.

Jericho does wildly better on the GWWE NJPW scale than on some GWE footage analysis scale.

Jim's a guy who should have probably been in ten years ago.

He was still working during some of the Melina stuff, no? But I feel like basically everything but W in NJPW looks at the total picture, not just when the guy is wrestling? But that's from the outside in.

Is Foley different if he disappears in 2001 and never returns? I feel like the late Flair match helps him but he's hurt by a lot of the week-to-week stuff in the 00s-10s.

I'm less frustrated with Lesnar than I was a few years ago, mostly because as Childs' indicated, the wheel has turned. That said, I had looked forward to the pairing with Kane because I thought he couldn't just do his normal formula, but obviously we've gotten even less than that.

More importantly, can someone scout out the Cena vs Reigns match for the community and tell us if it's any good. There's a decent fan cam easy to find on youtube. I only was able to see the first few minutes but it's obvious they're having fun with the heat.

http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/39465-masahito-kakihara-vs-takaku-fuke-uwf-atlantis-102590/ Thanks to shodate for this. It was something I would have never come across on my own but I enjoyed it and remarked that it felt a lot like the Fuchi vs Nakano match I'd seen recently, even if it was a very different style.

Context for timelessness' sake: I watched this based on the match review trade project we've been doing in 2018 (Secret Santo) and my immediate point of comparison was a match I had been given a few weeks before, Masanobu Fuchi vs. Shinichi Nakano (AJPW 4/16/1989). It was the same sort of young guy vs older guy (though Fuke's just a few years older), where the younger guy was brash and energetic and the older guy was able to just manhandle him for much of the match, until through perseverance, the younger one got a break and picked up the surprise win. Now I have very little outside context on this, so I'm not 100% sure that's what I saw, but it's what it felt like. That's the universal storytelling power of pro wrestling, because in many other ways, the two matches were quite different. Shootstyle is very much it's own creature, based more on struggle and openings than spots and transitions. I've only dipped my toe into it. The story felt universal even if the norms were very different. I've seen some shootstyle but maybe not enough to have a great sense of what's very good and what's not. To me, this felt solid. I bought into it, which was the most important thing. The selling felt appropriate, probably because they were actually kicking each other. The counters felt visceral. You want it to feel 'real' in a way that you don't necessarily need more symbolic wrestling to feel (that you just need to feel genuine). There were a lot of little things you wouldn't see elsewhere like Fuke outright missing an armbar at one point or that crazy no assistance powerslam. I thought Fuke was great at being three moves ahead. If he was in a hold, he'd grab one body part to get the next to get the third which would get him out. Fuke really dominated throughout but Kakihara was wry and game. He kept coming back for more and didn't let Fuke breathe. I thought he was about to get put away right before he sneaked out the win, but sneak it out he did. It was a matter of staying alive long enough to get an opening and then taking it when he got it. I'm always impressed when I see a well-worked shootstyle match but a little goes a long way with me. I do want to see Fuke go up against Fujiwara though.

This popped online earlier tonight. It's a very interesting match because so much DIDN'T work smoothly. I wholeheartedly believe that it was due to a skill gap but it made everything seem very gritty and full of struggle to me. I don't know if the match earned it but, to me, it certainly had it. I wish Warrior was able to take a longer stretch, especially after the assault on the leg to start the tercera. I don't know. I don't get any sense you guys saw the same grittiness i saw, some of which might have been real life frustration from Atlantis. Anyone else want to take a look?

He was in Phil and Eric's #2 match of the year last year too. WKO + SC + Finlay feels like a pretty good cross-section to me (but maybe I'm biased).

It's hard to say what's in that contract. I don't know certainly. They could maybe get away with giving them 205 live as the third hour or something else that could be region specific. Are we sure they don't already get the 2 hour Hulu Raw?