rzombie1988 Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Speaking of DQs, I've got a small question: What is the rule on guys using foreign objects OUTSIDE the ring in a normal match? I've seen lots of matches where they'll do a chair shot right in front of the ref and he lets it go. I'll have to break it down to each object: Objects that are part of the ring - steps, wires, posts, barricades - Unless you are throwing them physically at someone, you are ok. You can ram people into them and even with wires you can choke your opponent. Tables - Ramming an opponents head into one is okay Putting one through it is not. Throwing one at someone I guess is okay. Chairs - Ramming and Choking is okay, as well as tripping someone into one(think Raven's move), but hitting is not allowed inside or outside of the ring. If it's allowed, it's bad officiating. To sum it up: Ramming your opponent, choking your opponent or whipping your opponent into something - Okay Throwing an object - Illegal Do not count TNA for any of these rules or current WWE. On F4W they were recapping one of the TNA shows and the announcers said that you are allowed to interfere or do something illegal once during the match and you will get off free. The dumbest rule I ever saw was during a HHH/HBK match on Raw. One of them laid on the others back and they called it a pin(as part of a double pin). I'm still upset about it. ______________________________ I would like to see more managers. Managers are now general managers, but it's really not the same. Managers allow for different kinds of feuds and they help connect wrestlers to other wrestlers that they would usually have nothing to do with.There's literally millions of different uses and the best part is, you can have managers look bad every single week and it'll only make people hate them more. You can also have managers represent a million different wrestlers too and it will not overexpose them. As for face managers, yes they usually are there for just cheerleading, but face wrestlers need cheerleaders now because fans don't care. Don West made Amazing Red 100 times more interesting that he was. It's really simple and pretty much the reverse of the heel manager role. You take someone who is popular with fans and use his popularity to get other guys over. Someone really should start a thread showing the value and storyline oppurtunities available with managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 That Shawn Michaels versus Triple H finish was possibly the stupidest finish I have ever seen in WWE. I was actually angry about it because it really made zero sense. I've always hoped it was a blown spot. Maybe they were supposed to get tangled up as they fell down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Wrestler's are seemingly never threatened with fines anymore. I'd always hear Gorilla Monsoon say Wrestler A will be fined for attacking a referee and now it's just fuckhead announcers like Josh Mathews and Michael Cole spewing bullshit about how they "like this new aggressive side of __" and how "___ needs a mean-streak." It's ok for Coel I guess because he's a heel, but Booker T says that crap a lot too and he's supposed to be a babyface. I don't even know what Mathews is. Except a fuckhead. How many times is a WWE match NOT started with a collar-and-elbow tie-up? I liked the angle in WCW where they were speculating how big the fine would be for Randy Savage striking Nick Patrick. Patrick was demanding $1M and I think it went down to $5K. One thing I can't stand is how in seemingly every sport the officials are not to be fucked with but in WWE (and pro wrestling in general) it's come to a point where they just stand there and watch wrestlers break the rules at every turn and just plea "Come on! Come on!" There are so many ways you could work within your own rules and educate fans to pay attention to the matches and not just wait for someone to appear on the ramp or wait for their music to play. I guess that would require some creativity and we know matches don't matter anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 it's not about money at all anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Fines are still used all the time on indy shows, and are laughable to the point of insulting the audience's intelligence. The promoter will be blabbing about how this guy is being charge thousands of dollars for doing whatever, and anyone with a mastery of simple arithmetic can look around the crowd and quickly calculate that this phony fine is a larger dollar figure than the show's entire ticket sales that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Fines are still used all the time on indy shows, and are laughable to the point of insulting the audience's intelligence. The promoter will be blabbing about how this guy is being charge thousands of dollars for doing whatever, and anyone with a mastery of simple arithmetic can look around the crowd and quickly calculate that this phony fine is a larger dollar figure than the show's entire ticket sales that night. I'm still waiting for the promoter who threatens to the fine the wrestler $20 and the two hot dogs he will receive at the end of the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I've seen it done properly exactly one time: after a heel punched out a referee, the promoter said that the ref was gonna get the wrestler's pay envelope for the night. That's perfectly believable, and not naming a number gets around the fact that the pay envelope probably held no more than ten or twenty bucks. But man, I have seen a lot of fines where the amount charged is stupidly huge on these tiny outlaw shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I saw an indy show once where the promoter came out and gave away free concessions to be paid off from the heels pay after he gave a ref a piledriver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wrestling X Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 They still fine wrestlers in some British promotions if they perform a piledriver, although it's pretty obvious that it's a work designed to get heels over. (especially when they refuse to pay up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I used to love it when the face got thrown out of the ring after a period of being dominated by the heel, and the heel would not let him back in...punishing him back to the floor with various kicks, punches, and assorted fouls. After the third or fourth time, the face would get mad, find a way back into the ring, and quickly get the heel begging off. The face would then go on the offence with various corner whips, backdrops, dropkicks, etc. The crowd, of course, went nuts the whole time. It was also usually a sign that the end of the match was near...not always, but most of the time. If this is still done with any regularity, I'd be curious to know if it works on any level. I don't picture it being an effective spot in a match of this era....but that's just me. That basic king of the hill structure is used alot in the second or third fall (heel brawling fall) in lots of lucha matches. People still pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 25, 2012 Report Share Posted March 25, 2012 Watching old NWA shows. No one does the bodyslam where they fold the arm behind the opponents back and then slam them right onto the arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Morris Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 So when was the last time any wrestler did the following: * 10-punch count in the corner. * Ramming wrestler into the turnbuckles as the audience counts along. * Double noggin knocker in a tag match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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