JaymeFuture Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 So, I'm taping another podcast later this week, and as the one we did for 1994 in this format was a big success, we're going to broach 2000. I'm very interested to see how you folks will break down this year with retrospect, a fairly insane year in the business with a lot to choose from.The idea is that out of everything that happened on a worldwide basis in 2000, what ONE thing (a match, promo, wrestler, angle, feud, theme, company, whatever it may be), epitomises each for you personally and why?For example, in talking 94, we got stuff like:The Good - WrestleMania 10, Misawa/Kawada, pre-Hogan WCW.The Bad - Hogan going to WCW and the change in the productThe Ugly - Undertaker Vs. UndertakerApply for 2000, and please go into as much depth on why things were the best or the worst as you'd like. As always I'll read the feedback and credit the fine folks who do on the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadMick Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 The Good - INCREDIBLY fond memories of so much in WWF from January through August. The match I'm most likely to go back to watch, again and again, is Jericho v HHH at Fully Loaded. The Bad - Things did dip a little after SummerSlam, and abandoning the HHH-Angle-Steph story was very disappointing indeed. The Ugly - Mae Young at The Rumble. Appalling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 The Ugly: The Radicalz leaving WCW. That's when I saw that it was never getting better. You could always kind of tell yourself that WCW had better workers even if the product was bad. But that really felt like a shift and suddenly the WWF had a better product in every regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 The Good: The Dallas Ten Man The Bad: WM and KOTR sucking during such a hot time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Good: Ogawa vs. Hashimoto, Misawa vs. Akiyama in February Bad: All Japan becoming NOAH, a lot of the wrestling in Japan copying all the annoying parts of All Japan style without taking the good parts or just doing a bad job of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 One good thing -- the pay-off to the Atlantis/Villano III mask feud was some of the better booking CMLL's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted August 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The Good: The Dallas Ten Man The Bad: WM and KOTR sucking during such a hot time Especially since there was absolutely no reason why Mania and KOTR shouldn't have been awesome with the roster and momentum they had. 2000 is one of the more explored years, was curious how people here viewed it in hindsight more than anything (similar to how 1998 doesn't look so good outside of 98). ECW was a trainwreck during this year too, with one of the few exceptions being Tajiri having an awesome year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Poor Bastard Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The Good - getting to see William Regal take on a young Bryan Danielson live here in Jonesboro when Bryan was in developmental. The Bad - WWE closing down the Memphis part of developmental, which effectively ended decent wrestling coming to my area to this day. The Ugly - WCW. The entirity of it. So many wrestlecrap moments. My heart is still a little broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I loved the WWF in 2000 and still watch it from time to time. It was the only product I watched week-to-week that year as ECW was a mess and WCW was WCW. The Good: WWF PPV main events. The Bad: Hogan vs. Kidman feud. The Ugly: "Goldberg did the unthinkable...he refused to follow the script!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Good: Mick Foley in Q1. Bad: The return of an out of place Austin. Ugly: New Blood Rising PPV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 The Good: The Dallas Ten Man The Bad: WM and KOTR sucking during such a hot time Especially since there was absolutely no reason why Mania and KOTR shouldn't have been awesome with the roster and momentum they had. 2000 is one of the more explored years, was curious how people here viewed it in hindsight more than anything (similar to how 1998 doesn't look so good outside of 98). ECW was a trainwreck during this year too, with one of the few exceptions being Tajiri having an awesome year. I actually think that 98 WWF hasn't aged all that terribly. The wrestling itself is pretty bad but I thought the storylines were pretty good. It didn't hold up as well as 1997 or 2000, but I think it's closer to those two years than 1999 WWF. But yeah, the rest of 1998 wasn't all that great unless you were there in the moment. I rewatched some of the 98 Nitros on Classics on Demand and they were largely unwatchable. 1998 ECW also wasn't very good although a lot of that was probably due to Shane Douglas' injury and Paul's refusal to either strip Douglas of the title just wasn't smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Wrestling fans must have been much more patient in 1998 because despite being as nonsensical as any year of TNA they still had high ratings and managed to beat the WWF some weeks. I know I watched ECW every week in 1998 but I honestly don't remember anything really good about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidebottom Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 1998 ECW was very much a product of its time. Within that timeframe, there was plenty of action delivering the goods. Heat Wave 1998 pretty much encapsulates that time period for me, and its an excellent show which I feel holds up pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Agreed that Heat Wave 98 was a very good show. For 2000, I thought it was interesting that Sidebottom noted Austin's return as being bad since he was out of place. You're taking a guy who not even a year earlier was by far the biggest star and draw in the business and now it felt as though WWF had no need for him and really, had become a much better show without him (although that's more due to Russo's exit and an influx of better talent to flesh out the undercard rather than Austin's exit). Anyway, The good: The Rock/Triple H rivalry The bad: The first signs of the wrestling boom ending with the big decline in both WCW and ECW The ugly: WCW in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymeFuture Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Thanks for all the feedback gentlemen, you can check out the show discussing all your comments here: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/y93ptz/SCGRadio10-TheGoodBadandUglyof2000.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 The Good - The "thought' of WCW being better on the April reboot. Scott Steiner / Goldberg Fall Brawl, Steiner push to title and reign. HHH vs. Rock - Judgement Day shocking me that they could go 60 and keep it good. The pop Austin got a Backlash 2000 when he came back and helped Rock defeat the Regime. Hash vs. Ogawa. The Bad - Awful push of Taz that ruined what could have been a killer mid-carder. ECW declining sharply and quickly. Eddie Guerrero's personal issues killing his push in the summer after a great time with Chyna. The Very Bad - The booking of King Of The Ring 2000...With those brackets, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU MESS THAT UP? The Ugly - WCW about 2 weeks after the April reboot through Sept. Personal Bad - Jericho beating HHH in April in State College, PA.. I was second row as a 21st birthday present and a HUGE HHH Mark and the HHH is God sign as well as the title belt, so when Jericho won, I got it from all sides after talking a TON of shit before the show... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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