shoe Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I could easily see Watts thinking it devalues the World Title to have it defended in a gimmick match. If the goal of a championship match is to determine the best wrestler, the goal of a falls-count-anywhere match is to determine the wildest brawler. There was even a time people thought cage matches for the title were too much of a stretch. That's an interesting take. I still think Watts end game was to get Gordy and Doc over as main even players. Thus putting them on top on this show as step 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woof Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I could easily see Watts thinking it devalues the World Title to have it defended in a gimmick match. If the goal of a championship match is to determine the best wrestler, the goal of a falls-count-anywhere match is to determine the wildest brawler. There was even a time people thought cage matches for the title were too much of a stretch. This is essentially what I was trying to say but of course it took me three paragraphs and an accidental emoji to do it. I probably shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 This is from Meltzer's review of Beach Blast '92: There were a lot of complaints about ending the show with the DQ finish and the non-finish draw and that they should have put Sting vs. Cactus on last because it hurt Rude and Steamboat to try and follow them. In this case, hindsight is 20/20 because given what was planned, there was no other way. They wanted the last view of Cactus to be him brawling with Steamboat rather than being laid out and pinned, so that angle had to take place after his match. The deal with Cactus attacking Steamboat (which didn't come off as anything special, just another angle) was supposed to be with Steamboat exhausted after that grueling 30:00 match. So neither of those matches could finish the show which left Gordy & Williams vs. Steiners, which on paper, looked to be good enough to finish. Regardless of that, I think the Steiners could have won the tag match. Doc and Gordy were going to beat them on the Clash airing couple of days later (though it was already taped) and then again for the titles, so they could have withstood the loss, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Parv the grumpy old men booking idea was terrible. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Parv the grumpy old men booking idea was terrible. Lol I didn't exactly flesh it out, but I still think there could be some legs in a generational feud with Watts, Ole and a stooge or two (Greg? Arn?) moaning about the kids of today having no respect for tradition. Them vs. a Sting-led Dudes-with-Attitudes-type faction with Bagwell as a member. If done right, it could have been good. Especially if Watts / Ole cranked up the old-school authority. Imagine Watts having Bagwell flogged with a belt. I think it could be made to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Seems to present day angle than 92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I enjoyed your talking point Parv about Taylor essentially being blackballed out of wrestling. Chad going heel on Parv mentioning his Indy project on a WTBBP . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 If you watch him in that bout he's still perfectly serviceable. Just seems weird that someone like a Brutus Beefcake or Barry Daraow would have another decade in them, whereas Taylor was completely put out to pasture. You could say he did the smart thing in transitioning to the office, but I'm not sure if there was a guy more fucked over by heat with bookers in his career. Rooster gimmick was apparently a rib. There's the story about Dusty catching him doing an impersonation on the plane, and jobbing him out. I wonder what the deal was with Watts in 92. I think this was it for him, and he went back to WWF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 If you watch him in that bout he's still perfectly serviceable. Just seems weird that someone like a Brutus Beefcake or Barry Daraow would have another decade in them, whereas Taylor was completely put out to pasture. You could say he did the smart thing in transitioning to the office, but I'm not sure if there was a guy more fucked over by heat with bookers in his career. Rooster gimmick was apparently a rib. There's the story about Dusty catching him doing an impersonation on the plane, and jobbing him out. I wonder what the deal was with Watts in 92. I think this was it for him, and he went back to WWF? Ive heard Taylor had a lot of heat throughout his career and that coupled with zero charisma buried the guy. Can you imagine if Vince had put the Perfect gimmick on Taylor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Russian Daydream Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I got finished listening to this on my commute home tonight and really enjoyed the show. Thanks both of you! Like Parv, I had this on Turner video back in the early 90s and even as a ten or eleven-year-old, I was totally blown away by the Rude vs Steamboat match. I couldn't believe years later when I read Meltzer's Observer review and saw his star rating. I know it's all a subjective thing but I just could not see what about that match is not absolutely brilliant. Its definitely worth the big 5-stars in my mind. My only complaint is I've always felt that the non-title stip sort of gave away that Steamboat was winning. It really doesn't take away from the match though, and I still get that excited feeling watching that frantic final minute, even after seeing the match a whole load of times. I'd also like to say that Parv is right, that Greg Valentine vs Marcus Bagwell match really is good. At the time Valentine usually looked like he didn't want to be there, but I thought there were real flashes of why he was highly regarded in this effort. i've actually forgotten this was on the Beach Blast show until it started last time I watched it and was really surprised how much I enjoyed it. And Chad, I laughed out loud when you said Missy should have been instantly been DQ'd for wearing the bikini in the swimsuit round. It doesn't sound funny now I've typed it but the way you said it was very funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKWebb Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Great show! I agree that Rude and Steamboat had one of the best matches in WCW history here. Chad, I'm really glad you mentioned the Savage vs Steamboat match from Toronto on this show. I've always thought it was a better match than the Wrestlemania 3 match, but I've never really heard it talked about much. I thought I was the only one. I've been a long time listener, but just recently joined the board. Excellent show, and WTBBP continues to be my favorite podcast. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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