ButchReedMark Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 This one doesn't share the old one's lineage, I think. So it's right in a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 The "we sold out x nights in a row" story is also a popular one (where x > 50). "We ran three shows a day, seven days a week!" If the person saying this worked in Mexico, it might be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm actually thinking more and more that it is overblown. I just would like to see one example from Mexico. The Jason Campbell newsletter uploads have fleshed out the NYC/NJ/CT roster from around 78-83 in an amazing way, so it now a bit easier to see their erratic schedule in the smallest towns with high school imaginable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 This one doesn't share the old one's lineage, I think. So it's right in a way. They talk about Lita as a "former WWE Women's Champion" while she's presenting the belt, and then turn around and say "Charlotte is the first ever WWE Women's Champion!" They've had a Women's Champion for like all but six years of their entire company history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJRogers Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 This one doesn't share the old one's lineage, I think. So it's right in a way. They talk about Lita as a "former WWE Women's Champion" while she's presenting the belt, and then turn around and say "Charlotte is the first ever WWE Women's Champion!" They've had a Women's Champion for like all but six years of their entire company history. Maybe key word is "Heayweight?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 They don't call it that. They don't use weights for the women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm actually thinking more and more that it is overblown. I just would like to see one example from Mexico.It might not've been bullshit at certain times. I've heard from lots of different guys that the central Mexican promotions in the early 90s ran an insane number of shows, frequently running Arena Mexico multiple times in the same day. Pull up Chris Jericho's Cagematch profile, and a quick glance shows that his first three CMLL matches were all in the same building on the same day. Looking at Vampiro's match list, sometimes he worked for multiple different promotions on the same day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Well I'm doing the same stuff on WD so I am looking into these things. In regards to 90s lucha I can see the possibility that AAA and CMLL sold matches (1-2 per show) to local promoters, with that you can easily get 5-10 shows around the horn with your talent, but that wouldn't mean that everybody in the roster will do +5 shows a day. It's even possible that somebody like Sandor Szabo will end up with the most matches of any wrestler in a single year as he did an iron man gimmick at some time in the 50s where he wrestled 3 opponents a show. Too bad they only had seemingly one show a day in California back then per roster. So if I wonder who might end up with the highest number of matches in one year and and that's what I end up with, that should be saying something. Slightly OT: As you can see we prefer to back up claims with numbers. As we're researching Cincinnati at the moment (until it died a painful death in 1979) we'll come closer to the question who had more matches against each other - The Sheik vs Bobo Brazil or Dominic DeNucci vs Baron Mikel Scicluna. Researching something is better than talking out of one's ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I should add that I didn't want to bitch about you in particular. It's just often enough frustrating to see people just bitch and make assumptions without doing shit themselves. I would love to have access to all Tennessee Mountain Wrestling shows for instance, but I won't expect that too happen. In a similar manner, Eddie Mansfield has not once but twice contacted us with the mindblowing revelation that we are not having all his matches he did for Eddie Graham. So I did ask him if he could provide us anything for his own IWF promotion, as there is pretty much nothing IWF related to be found anywhere. But no dice. So Eddie Mansfield will at some point contact us for a third time reminding us that we do not have every single CWF show and there still won't be any IWF related information to be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I'm actually thinking more and more that it is overblown. I just would like to see one example from Mexico.It might not've been bullshit at certain times. I've heard from lots of different guys that the central Mexican promotions in the early 90s ran an insane number of shows, frequently running Arena Mexico multiple times in the same day. Pull up Chris Jericho's Cagematch profile, and a quick glance shows that his first three CMLL matches were all in the same building on the same day. Looking at Vampiro's match list, sometimes he worked for multiple different promotions on the same day. Double and triple shots on Saturdays and Sundays have been a tradition for decades and during the early 90s guys like Vampiro, Konnan, Perro Aguayo or Octagon would have drivers taking them to the arenas where they would get in, wrestle and get out immediately. I don't have results right in front of me but I have seen examples of guys wrestling four times a day. There used to be so many shows in a 80 mile radius that this was completely possible. In the 70s guys like like Dr. Wagner, Rene Guajardo and El Solitario would do double and triple shots all the time and often were temporarily suspended by the commission because they'd wrestle short 7-8 minute matches (back when that was NOT acceptable) completely dogging it to get to the next arena ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Well I'm doing the same stuff on WD so I am looking into these things. In regards to 90s lucha I can see the possibility that AAA and CMLL sold matches (1-2 per show) to local promoters, with that you can easily get 5-10 shows around the horn with your talent, but that wouldn't mean that everybody in the roster will do +5 shows a day. CMLL guys in the 90s would easily get 10-12 bookings a week. That was mostly limited to the big stars, though, it's not like there was demand to see Cachorro Mendoza or Mogur several times a day. Somebody like Dandy or Atlantis could get as many bookings as they wanted while a Ringo Mendoza or Javier Cruz could get a couple of shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 The Kaufman Lawler Feud: Chapter 33 - Jimmy Hart on Andy's Health Lawler's piledriver caused Andy Kaufman's cancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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