goodhelmet Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey was right there at the end too. How hard would it have been for Henry to charge at Rey, Rey drops down, pulls the top rope down and Henry tumbles over. The underdog triumphs. Eddie's friend triumphs. I start watching SD! again. Now, none of those things happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 It's kind of odd that they always go back to the Kurt Angle well when most of his big runs have tanked drawing wise. I mean his big title win in 2001 did so awful that they had to take the belt off of him after 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bravesfan Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey was right there at the end too. How hard would it have been for Henry to charge at Rey, Rey drops down, pulls the top rope down and Henry tumbles over. The underdog triumphs. Eddie's friend triumphs. I start watching SD! again. Now, none of those things happened.Again, why put the belt on Rey now? If it's meaningless battle royal that they want to book, keep the belt away from your future title holders and put it on a transitional champion. That way, by the time they get it to the guy they want to groom for the Mania match, Big Dave is a thing of the past. Right now, the company has no idea what they're doing past the weekend, with the exception of the Edge/Cena program. Angle is the safe choice. I mean his big title win in 2001 did so awful that they had to take the belt off of him after 2 weeks. That was done to capitalize on his heat going into Unforgiven regarding 9/11. If they wanted to get behind a serious reign with Angle, it would've been done at Summerslam. Anyway, they were building to a Rock/Austin unification match set for Survivor Series, which fell by the wayside once Vince scrapped the Invasion angle altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Alvarez did a really good write-up and podcast surrounding the injury, his past injuries and similar wrestlers with related problems, which Meltzer should follow up on with the Observer. They've got a F4W show together tomorrow night, which could go on for hours with everything that has happened. I cannot wait for this show. The shows with Dave are pretty damn good, especially when there is a killer news week and with Rumble and WM on the horizon, news will be pretty steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 If they have any plans of pushing Rey on top, Angle was the right choice for champ. Angle or Benoit, anyway, but Benoit was tied up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 It isn't how high the rating is this week. It is how high (or low) the rating remains in the weeks following to see if it had any real impact.It won't have any real impact whatsoever. We've seen the pattern time and time again they hot shot a big return or a big angle, people view it because they're intrigued, but switch off over the next week or two because nothing has really changed. I mean they teased showing live sex and that was the main ratings draw, so what possibly can they do next week to sustain the audience that viewed just for that train wreck segment. You can't really top that, unless they tease Mickie James and Trish Stratus having sex or something, but then where do you go? And also these sorts of angles don't sell PPVs, as people didn't tune in to see Cena beat up Edge, they tuned in to see the angle before it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Right. A one or even two week spike is pretty meaningless. If they can sustain that 4.3 rating for 3 months going into WM, that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Again, why put the belt on Rey now? If it's meaningless battle royal that they want to book, keep the belt away from your future title holders and put it on a transitional champion. That way, by the time they get it to the guy they want to groom for the Mania match, Big Dave is a thing of the past. I would be shocked if Rey was ever considered for a title run. A hotshot situation was Rey's perfect chance to become champion. If the company is able to regroup, Rey will not be in those plans. I hope I am wrong. If they have any plans of pushing Rey on top, Angle was the right choice for champ. Angle or Benoit, anyway, but Benoit was tied up. I don't think they had any plans on pushing Rey to the top. A last-minute decision would have been his best chance to grab the strap. It won't have any real impact whatsoever. We've seen the pattern time and time again they hot shot a big return or a big angle, people view it because they're intrigued, but switch off over the next week or two because nothing has really changed. I mean they teased showing live sex and that was the main ratings draw, so what possibly can they do next week to sustain the audience that viewed just for that train wreck segment. You can't really top that, unless they tease Mickie James and Trish Stratus having sex or something, but then where do you go? And also these sorts of angles don't sell PPVs, as people didn't tune in to see Cena beat up Edge, they tuned in to see the angle before it. Well, the first thing you can do is have characters and wrestlers who actually appeal to those who turned in to make them stick around. I don't think Edge and Cena are those characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Stop arguing with people who agree with you, damnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bravesfan Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Well, Helmet looks to be right on that regard... In an update from our very in-depth story on the whole situation that is available in the newest issue of Figure Four Weekly (see above), Angle will be going full-fledged babyface from this point forward. The latest from WWE is that Batista is probably out until summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Turning Angle face was a good move, even if nothing else turns out to be. I mean he was getting cheered for saying he wanted to make Jesus tap out, if that's not a demand for a face turn I don't know what is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Stop arguing with people who agree with you, damnit. bravesfan did not agree with me. He didn't want Rey to have the belt. I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 The only problem with turning Angle face is that Smackdown doesn't have any over heels that would draw money with Angle at the moment IMO. As much as the fans seem to want to cheer Angle now, I think there was more money in Benoit, Rey, Undertaker and Batista when he returns chase him than Angle defending against the likes of Orton, JBL and Booker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey would be a horrible world champion and about as credible as AJ Styles has been whenever he's held the strap in TNA. He's a midget, he looks like a child compared to half the Smackdown roster. There's interviewers, and non wrestlers bigger than him...He's bland and uninspiring on the mic, and he's tiny. He couldn't ever be a draw as a main eventer, he's a great addition to have on the roster and in the midcard/upper midcard, and main eventing the odd tv show, but as the guy to carry the Smackdown brand? Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Ugh..... horrible horrible move. Angle has never shown anything as a face and as I said earlier his big face run bombed so badly that they had to take the belt off of him immediately. What's up with this company? They have an injured World Champ, an injured Tag Champ and they just transitioned the belt from an injured World Champ to a World Champ that's going insane amounts of various substances just to operate. What are they going to do if Angle drops dead as their Champion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 You obviously were not around when we had the Rey as champion discussion. Your narrow-minded, idiotic viewpoints were already shot down once. Why don't you try to find some substance to back up your viewpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cam Chaos Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Angle - Taker for Mania is a lock in my eyes. Taker likes to have guys that can make him look good at WM and Angle can definitely do that. Plus the title/gold medal winner against the guy who just won't stay down story can write itself. If Angle is going face, what role will Shawn play next Monday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 If Bill fucking Dundee can draw then Rey Misterio can draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 I think I was here. Here's what I posted a while ago... The fans that can appreciate the technical aspects will look more at the actual skill, but the regular fans pay attention to size. Part of that is due to that most people that don't know how to fight will get their ass kicked by someone who is bigger than they are. And in a lot of cases, even a trained/skilled person will get beat by someone that's bigger purely due to weight/size. There are exceptions (which was one of the great things about early UFC), but more often than not the bigger guy wins. With that in mind, look at professional wrestling and the majority of its fans. Even if professional wrestling is a sport that has a pre-determined winner and the suspension of disbelief factor is in play, it's still supposed to mimic combat to a certain degree. As a result, many "little" guys are not going to beat a lot of "big" guys. There are exceptions at times, but it's rare. Watching Little Spike Dudley give an Acid Drop to Mike Awesome in ECW might've been cool, but in WWE he's not going to walk over all of their giants. It just isn't believable. Eddie, for example, wasn't a giant, but he was just big enough and incredibly skilled enough to be seen as a credible World Champion (as was Benoit). Mysterio is talented, and he could pull off the odd win on a big guy once in a while... but he's not going to by a world heavyweight champion. There's a certain degree that they can draw with some fans... they just aren't going to pull it off on the grand scale. There are examples of lighter guys who got a shot at the big time and failed to draw from way back in the wrestling business that further proves my point about how rare it is for lighter guys to get a chance to be main eventers. Ad Santel, Charles Olsen, George Tragos... all where tremendous wrestlers, true greats of wrestling and considered to be some of the most dangerous people you could have ever crossed paths with... but none of them were the draws of an Ed Lewis, Frank Gotch, or George Hackenschmidt. Arguments of skill aside, the difference as far as the gate was concerned was weight class. Gotch, Lewis, and Hack were heavyweights; big guys that you could be afraid of and not be looked at as a pansy. Santel, Olsen, and Tragos were arguably lethal on the mat (I know Olsen killed at least two wrestlers, not sure about Tragos or Santel), but they were smaller guys, not as intimidating in appearance. In the WWF, the way things have gone traditionally, you gotta be big. And muscular (which is a different matter from being "in shape," btw, but works for any arguing on this thread). Does it have to be that way? Yes. Period. They don't know how to book any other way. In the main event, the WWF has only drawn money with big face champions. They don't know how to do it any other way, and they've conditioned their fans for decades in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey is over because of his size, not in spite of it. I'm surprised more people don't understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 And let's be honest. The company is currently pushing Shawn Michaels to the moon and he's built like an old lady. Misterio is at least muscular despite being small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey is over because of his size, not in spite of it. I'm surprised more people don't understand that. Yeah, they can't seem to get over that whole midget thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Even Eric Bischoff understood that his lack of size was actually a huge positive, because it made him different, after seeing him wrestle for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest savagerulz Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Rey is over, and his size plays a part. Great. But that size also makes him completely non credible. Plucky underdog's fine. Plucky underdog world champion, when you're that much of a sodding underdog because you're almost a midget, gets boring very very quickly though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dangerous A Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 No way in hell Vince puts the belt on a guy smaller than Linda. It just ain't happening. I'm not saying I don't want to see Rey not got a shot, but I'm realistic and know Vince's big man fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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