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When the vast majority of people seem to be ignoring them, I'm not sure why you feel the need to come in here and point out how much better your moral compass is than the 3 people who might put them on their list anyway. There's no reason to come in here and post that shit especially if you don't want to keep getting called out on your own hypocrisy.

Great stuff!

I would need to rewatch some of their stuff from the AWA set but I could see these guys maybe sneaking into the 20-25 part of my list. They were a really good team and I agree with dawho5 that Gagne is extremely underrated by people who act like the only reason he was ever pushed is because of his Dad. He held up his end of the team, it wasn't a George Gulas/Bobby Eaton pairing.

I really liked their run as babyfaces but they really did seem to fall off hard once they lost the belts. They were really lackluster in their heel run. Just not enough on the resume for me even if I liked them and think that Cody Rhodes should be eternally grateful that his brother was able to make him relevant again.

Yea I think people should not dismiss them just for that car crash era with E&C and The Dudleys because The Hardys have way more on their resume than just that stuff. I'd like to go through and watch more of their stuff to see where I could put them on the list because I have a hard time imagining not putting them on it. Jimmy do you have a recommended match list? I know they had some really good stuff in 06-07 that I remember liking at the time.

These guys have a real good chance at making my list, especially if we keep getting more footage from Houston before the deadline. They were pretty ahead of their time in the sense that they worked a very fast pace "go go go" style although it did feel like a bit of detriment at times like their match against The Fantastics where you almost wished they'd have slowed down a bit and built more heat. But they were great at working babyfaces or heels. As heels they were incredible bump machines just feeding and feeding for the babyfaces. As babyfaces they could come off as real asskickers against guys who were bigger than them like Dr. Death & DiBiase while still coming across like sympathetic underdogs when it came time for them to sell.

It wasn't really a hostile question I was just wondering if that was the case.

Don't think they really had any. At least not any that made tape. I forget whose podcast he was on but Danny Davis said Ken Wayne didn't stick around because he didn't like the cold so Danny Davis was the only one who really had much of a run in Stampede. Is there a reason you would value their work in Stampede more than in Continental or Memphis?

I'm probably only going to do a tag team list since that's much easier and I'll almost certainly be the high vote on The Nightmares and Hector/Chavo Guerrero. Maybe The Fabulous Ones too.

There are shoot style guys like Volk Han who probably had less matches total than Jose has on tape that people still seem to be really high on voting for so it's not like there's no precedent. Don't we have most of Han's work on tape though? Or close? I think there's a huge difference where a small sample of matches represents a fraction of someone's output as opposed to a majority of it. I just don't think it's some giant leap of faith to watch a bunch of Jose Lothario matches where he is still awesome despite being obviously way past his prime and think he was that good (and most likely better) much earlier in his career. The guy was a legend in Texas and was always treated as a big deal in Dallas & Houston and now we have enough footage that we can see why. Like shoe & Phil said if you can't use a small sample size you disqualify a ton of guys who should be on the list in favor of other people just because they have more available footage. It's not just Jose that's in this boat it's a ton of guys whose primes were in the 70s and early 80s.

There are shoot style guys like Volk Han who probably had less matches total than Jose has on tape that people still seem to be really high on voting for so it's not like there's no precedent.

This. Child sex exploitation. I'll pass. I find your stance very hypocritical considering you're still planning on putting Benoit on your list.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks they're good enough to be mentioned alongside The Fantastics/MX/RNR.

Might as well put your Alabama Heavyweight Champion under a mask and call him Who. Nobody knows that scrub.

I don't have anything new to add except people should at least be giving these dudes a chance. I put the matches up, it's not like there is no footage to look at.

Good stuff with The Midnights and Rougeaus. I've been watching some of Rose & Condrey lately in Southeastern and man I actually would put them ahead of Creachman as far as talking goes. But having a shithead like Creachman at ringside only makes things more interesting.

That was a pretty cool angle with Adonis & Holliday. Nice to see one of my favorite teams, The Nightmares here and getting the best of the Studs. How could you not pick up Jim Holliday's brother Mike Fever!?

I would have rather had Todd Grisham.

Southwest Championship Wrestling @ San Antonio, TX - The HemisFair Arena 8/14/83 Eddie Gilbert vs. Juan Reynosa - Eddie Gilbert won in 6:22 after a dropkick off the top rope. Jimmy Doo & Masked Wildfire vs. Terry Adonis & T.G. Stone - Terry Adonis and T.G. Stone won in 5:18 after Terry Adonis knocked out The Masked Wildfire with a foreign object he pulled out of his trunks. Mike Masters vs. Mike Jackson - Mike Masters offers a handshake at the start of the match but Mike Jackson doesn't trust him. Mike Masters gets ticked off and shouts at the crowd for telling Mike Jackson not to shake his hand. Masters continues to offer a handshake but Jackson is still tentative and looking to the crowd so Masters just cheap shots him while his head is turned. Masters starts beating and pounding on Jackson and whips him into the corner and charges in after him but Jackson uses the momentum to vault into the air and catches his legs around Masters' shoulders and rolls him into a pin for a 2 count that was very close to a 3. Masters gets up and argues with the referee about a fast count and Mike Jackson comes behind and rolls him up for another 2 count. Masters rolls out of the ring and starts having a fit, pounding on the apron and shouting at the referee about his fast counts. Masters gets up on the apron and tells the referee to get Jackson back. Masters again tries for the handshake, professing his innocence and apologizing for the cheap shot last time. Jackson doesn't want any part of a handshake so Masters instead calls for a test of strength. Jackson foolishly goes for it and quickly gets forced down to his knees by the power of Mike Masters. The crowd try and cheer Jackson on but Masters pulls Jackson back up and then boots him in the stomach and takes him over with a hard vertical suplex. Masters goes for the cover but Jackson kicks out at the count of 2. Masters puts a headlock on Mike Jackson and then turns him around where the referee is out of position and nails him with a right hand that puts Jackson on the canvas. Mike Masters starts to pose and talk trash to the crowd with his back turned to Mike Jackson. When Masters turns back around he gets hit with a big dropkick from Mike Jackson! Masters gets back up and charges at Jackson only to get taken down by an armdrag. Masters gets back up and immediately gets taken back down by a dropkick. Jackson goes for a second dropkick as Masters gets up again but this time Masters dodges and swats Jackson down. Mike Jackson gets back up but Masters is behind him and grabs him into the Full Nelson. Jackson tries to escape but Masters has the hold totally cinched in and Jackson has no choice but to submit. Masters refuses to break the hold for a good 10 seconds after the bell is rung and the crowd boos him as he struts around the ring, flexing and preening to the disapproval of the HemisFair crowd. Winner: Mike Masters by submission with a Full Nelson in 7:01 The Blonde Bombers come out first and get on the mic talking trash about Roy Lee Welch. They say they heard that Roy Lee Welch was abandoned by his cousin again and offer to let him forfeit the match without taking a beating if he comes out to the ring and kisses both their feet. Their cockiness and bravado seems to disappear however once Roy Lee Welch comes out with his 6'5, 240 lb cousin Robert Fuller! The Blond Bombers (Eddy Mansfield & Buddy Roberts) vs. Roy Lee Welch & Robert Fuller - Buddy Roberts & Eddy Mansfield bump and stooge for the early part of the match with both Welch & Fuller taking turns getting their licks in. Eventually Buddy Roberts is able to take the advantage on Roy Lee Welch after Eddy Mansfield runs in and cheapshots Welch from behind while Welch had Roberts in a headlock. Fuller tries to come in and get revenge but the referee holds him back which allows The Bombers to double team Roy. They work over Roy Lee Welch and try to pin him multiple times but Welch won't stay down. Eventually Eddy Mansfield holds Roy Lee Welch for Roberts to hit a double axehandle off the middle rope but Welch manages to break free at the last second which causes Mansfield to get hit instead. Welch makes it the corner and tag in Robert Fuller who comes in a house of fire and unloads with right hands on both the Blonde Bombers. Welch comes back in and fights with Buddy in the corner while Robert Fuller picks up Eddy Mansfield and hits a Piledriver and covers him for the win. Winners: Roy Lee Welch & Robert Fuller in 11:22 after a Piledriver by Robert Fuller on Eddy Mansfield Stan Stasiak vs. Steve Pardee - Steve Pardee gets distracted at the outset of the match arguing with Lord Alfred Hayes and telling him to go back to the locker room allowing Stan Stasiak to attack him from behind. Stasiak works him over for a bit until Steve Pardee is able to catch Stasiak coming in with a clothesline and turn it into a drop toehold. Steve Pardee quickly rolls over and grabs a headlock on Stasiak while he's down on the mat. Stasiak rolls Pardee over onto his shoulders a few times using Steve's tights as leverage with Pardee able to get his shoulder up on the count of 2. On the last attempt the referee sees it and flips Pardee back over. Lord Alfred jumps up on the apron and begins shouting at the referee for his actions. Pardee doesn't let himself make the same mistake as last week by going after Lord Alfred, but Stasiak uses the referee's distraction to his advantage by going at Pardee's eyes. Stasiak takes control again and starts working on the arm of Steve Pardee. Pardee is able to reverse out of a Stasiak wristlock into one of his own but Stasiak grabs Pardee's hair to pull him down to the mat and break out of it. Stan Stasiak goes for a bodyslam but Steve Pardee reverses it into a bodyslam for the count of 2. Lord Alfred jumps up onto the ring apron to complain about Steve Pardee pulling tights which causes the ref to go over and argue with him to get down. Pardee is momentarily distracted and Stasiak tries to take advantage of it by whipping Pardee into the ropes but Pardee reverses and sends Stasiak crashing into Lord Alfred who was still on the apron! Stasiak staggers backwards into a crucifix pin for the count of 3! Lord Alfred Hayes is beside himself after the match and starts shouting at the referee & Stan Stasiak as Pardee makes his way back to the locker room. Winner: Steve Pardee in 8:57 via a crucifix pin El Gran Apollo & Jose Lothario vs. The Assassins - This was an evenly fought match with neither team able to gain an advantage for very long. The match totally breaks down at the end with all 4 guys in the ring brawling. El Gran Apollo pins Assassin #2 after a Top Rope Crossbody although Assassin #1 was actually the legal man. Winners: El Gran Apollo & Jose Lothario in 12:17 after El Gran Apollo pinned the non-legal Assassin with a Top Rope Crossbody Ken Lucas vs. Charlie Cook - This match started out wild with both guys going right at each other with fists flying. Eventually Charlie Cook used his size and strength advantage to take control and started tossing Lucas around with bodyslams and then dropping him throat first across the top rope. Charlie Cook almost made Ken Lucas submit to a bearhug but Ken Lucas was able to fight out of it but Cook quickly regained control with a clothesline that put Lucas on the mat. Charlie Cook set up for a football tackle but Ken Lucas was able to vault over Cook and take him down with a sunset flip for the upset win! After the match Charlie Cook feigned a handshake but instead punched Ken Lucas in the mouth and threw him over the top rope! Winner: Ken Lucas in 9:32 after a sunset flip The Texas Dynasty & Killer Khan come out first with Sunshine holding both the Southwest Tag Team Titles. The Fabulous Ones come out next and Tully gets on the mic and starts trash talking them. Tully says he knew they didn't really have a partner. He says if Andre the Giant didn't have the guts to fight Killer Khan then there was no way The Fabs could find a partner. The Fabs turn back to the locker room entrance where suddenly 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan appears! The crowd starts to cheer as Duggan makes his way down to ringside. The Fabs & Duggan look at each other and nod and then rush the ring! It quickly becomes a 3 on 3 brawl with The Texas Dynasty & Killer Khan on the losing end! The Dynasty & Killer Khan bail out while The Fabs & Duggan stand tall in the middle of the ring with the crowd in the HemisFair Arena going wild! The Texas Dynasty & Killer Khan vs. Jim Duggan & The Fabulous Ones - Killer Khan starts the match against Jim Duggan but winds up getting more than he can handle from the 'Hacksaw' as Duggan blocks his opening chop and responds with a right hand that puts the Monster from Mongolia down on the mat! Tully & David start going balistic outside the ring, telling the referee to disqualify Duggan for a closed fist. Killer Khan tries another chop only to meet the same result! David & Tully both run into the ring to try and cheapshot Duggan but end up eating punches from Duggan and all 3 men roll out of the ring to try and regroup. Duggan goes over to his corner and he and The Fabs mock The Texas Dynasty & Killer Khan much to the delight of the crowd. Sunshine gets on the apron and distracts Duggan which allows Killer Khan to attack him from behind! This advantage is very short lived however as Duggan quickly comes back with rights and lefts that send the big Killer Khan scurrying to his corner! Tully tags himself in and starts talking trash to Duggan, telling him to tag out to one of The Fabs. Duggan mocks Tully for a bit before finally deciding to tag out to Steve Keirn. Steve Keirn wants to lock up with Tully in the middle of the ring but Tully keeps trying to goad him into The Dynasty's corner. Keirn won't go for it however which causes Tully to have a fit. He charges at Steve Keirn only to get taken down by an armdrag and then a big right hand once he scrambles back up! Tully scoots backwards on his butt back to his own corner and David Von Erich tags in. He calls for Stan Lane so Keirn makes the tag to his Fabs partner. Lane comes in and quickly gets the better of David and sends him down with a karate kick! David rolls out of the ring where he, Tully & Sunshine have a quick huddle up. They seem to decide on a plan and Tully gets back on the apron and is seen whispering in the ear of Killer Khan. David breaks the count and stalls a bit more while Tully talks to Khan and then he gets back into the ring and tags in Tully. Tully comes in and tries to play peacemaker, offering a handshake to Stan Lane. Stan wants none of it and keeps charging forward but Tully is circling and dodging him until he gets Stan Lane into a position where his back is turned and immediately Killer Khan & David Von Erich run in and attack Lane from behind! Duggan & Keirn run in to even the odds and another 3 on 3 brawl breaks out! Duggan pairs off with Killer Khan while Stan Lane takes Tully & Keirn takes David Von Erich. Duggan & The Fabs get the better of the brawl and all 3 of them toss their man out of the ring! The Fabs & Duggan stand in the middle of the ring and ignore the referee as he tries to restore order! They call for The Dynasty & Khan to get back in the ring! Once Khan, Tully & David get back in the ring, things once again go against them and they lose their third 3 on 3 brawl against Duggan & The Fabs! They bail out of the ring again and this time Tully has had enough! He motions for Sunshine to follow him as The Dynasty & Killer Khan walk out of the match! Duggan & The Fabs try to goad them back in but Tully isn't having any of it and The Texas Dynasty & Killer khan head back to the locker room and take a countout! Winners: The Fabulous Ones & Jim Duggan via countout in 10:26

Yea I am pretty sure Zayn was on his way to the main roster before he got hurt. I don't think they gave him that match against Cena to just send him back down to NXT like it never happened.

Someone over at XWT-Classics was reading some of my shows and asked me why I'm using Tommy Rich as a masked jobber and I laughed my ass off. Good old fake Rich family member Randy provides me with laughter and makes me feel that all that time I spent watching crappy Vancouver stuff didn't totally go to waste.

I really liked this match a lot. I totally thought the match was over after the chair shot near fall and was shocked at the actual finish.

That is pretty much the only good thing I can say about the Corporate Ministry.

I thought about it but that seems like something that would kill my interest more than anything else. My TV shows & main events are as long as they are because I enjoy writing them that way. If I were to just do the bare minimum it would pretty much be me admitting I've lost all interest and am only doing it as "work" I'm only like 4 days behind anyway with some of the next HemisFair show already written, so it's not like I have some massive catching up to do.

They are essentially leaving the cupboard bare with all the call ups they have done recently so this whole "NXT is more than just developmental" talk feels more like a lip service thing to keep people into it and buying tickets to the shows more than a "we are going to keep the roster really strong even if it means not calling up people who are ready" thing.