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Everything posted by Timbo Slice
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Everyone has different tastes. It's not like we're looking for a united Top 100 from everyone and we all turn in the same ballot. There's a reason people get nominated. No sense in complaining about it.
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Sting & Lex Luger http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19229-sting-vs-lex-luger/?hl=sting
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Might be the most complete U.S. wrestler of all time. Not sure that makes him #1 overall or anything, but if you think of someone as a five-tool guy, not sure anyone other than Savage works. Which is awesome considering he played baseball before becoming a pro wrestler. He's not the best in one thing, but he's damn sure great in a lot. Easy Top 50, possible Top 25.
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What's interesting is that a lot of what makes the WON HOF right now is that the older wrestlers without tape on them have to be told through historian's points of view through the information they've collected. Considering the recent Chicago footage dump, that's going to change the view of a lot of guys we haven't seen or not seen enough of, but you can't do that with some guys because we don't have access or will never have access to their work. There are definitely guys worth doing the research on and then there's guys that don't get that opportunity because people don't like their work and don't think it's worth it.
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Okay, I laughed.
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Taue doesn't really relate with a lot of newer fans who want an "active" wrestler more than someone more nuanced. Brody, even though he was a shit worker by comparison, was a lot more active in the ring. It's also basically common knowledge that he did just enough each night he was out there just to get by and his work suffered because of it. He's the king of phoning it in. Kobashi was always more accessible because of his fire. Taue shouldn't be looked down upon because he wasn't as active as a guy like Kobashi (Or Toyota. Or Angle.). He definitely should be in.
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Billy Robinson, for sure. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/13178-billy-robinson-world-of-sport/?hl=%2Bbilly+%2Brobinson
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Dump Matsumoto: 8/22/85 with Bull Nakano vs. The Jumping Bomb Angels Crazy start to this match that's set for 2/3 falls before settling in to a nice tag match with the Angels selling big for Dump's offense. 8/28/85 Hair vs. Hair: vs. Chigusa Nagayo (Part 1 of 3, other parts linked within) The match that got AJW kicked off Japanese TV for a little bit as Chig bleeds buckets and Dump looks like the devil incarnate in front of the schoolgirl crowd. One of the most heated matches I've ever seen. 11/7/86 Hair vs. Hair: vs. Chigusa Nagayo (Part 1 of 5, other parts linked within) The rematch, which is either at the same level or maybe even better with Chigusa becoming the face of the company by this point. Dump is probably at the peak of her powers here.
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I think he'll make my list. I liked what he brought to the table in the big matches. I'm leaning a lot on performing well in big matches for this list and Kerry in the 80's definitely did that.
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Another one of those personal favorites where I can see him getting on my list. There was a stretch in the early 2000s where I thought he could do no wrong. He had the best Akiyama match in the 2003 G-1 Climax, was great in the 2002 Climax, as well.
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I'm gonna find some room for him on my list, I think. Up there in the discussion for best tag wrestler ever, great psychology, snug work, great timing, great talker. If he isn't on my list, I'll be surprised.
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I haven't watched nearly enough Murdoch. One of the guys where I'm happy I have 18 months to catch up on stuff.
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Maybe the most fungible wrestler in this whole thing. He works whatever style is needed and is great regardless. The Irish Swiss Army Knife. Truly one of the all-time greats. Easy Top 50, probably 25.
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That is always my point when talking about Hokuto/Kandori 4/2/93, too. First near fall in that match doesn't come until 18 minutes in. Sometimes, you just know how to get the crowd into it without the need for kicking out of stuff.
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Well, that's because all the guys you mentioned could work heel. Steamboat was a perpetual face and All Japan was not used to a face touring Japan like that. I know there were other guys who ended up working face, but I think that has to do with the crowd more than Steamboat.
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I think he's a completely underrated worker. One of the things he did better than almost anybody was lay out matches in a way to grab the crowd's attention, regardless of what you thought of his nutty spots. I think he has a shot at making this list for me.
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Nice work, Chad. Really good stuff.
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Probably the best baby face ever. Resume speaks for itself, but I wish he didn't get hurt when he did. He could have made a run at a #1-type career if that was the case. Don't see him falling out of the Top 50 for me, maybe even Top 25.
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Probably the only female worker I'll consider for my Top 10. When I went back and started going through the AJW Classics, she stood out heads and shoulders above everyone else. Didn't like much of her stuff in Jd', but there were few wrestlers better than her in her prime. She'll be way up there for me.
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Bret and Punk are similar to me in a lot of ways. You could tell when he gave a damn, when he really wanted to put on a good match, all that. So when he did give a damn, he was great. But there was also a lot of time where he didn't give a damn that drags him down in my eyes. I'll have him in the bottom half of my list, I'm pretty sure.
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I'll have him on the bubble. Liked his 2000s stuff better than his 90s stuff. Him teaming with Lyger in 2003 was one of my favorite things in wrestling at the time. Liked him as the gatekeeper of the BOSJ, as well. For his later stuff, the Hayato Fujita matches he had were great. Good longevity probably gets him on in the end.
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One of my favorite wrestlers ever. Easy Top 50, maybe Top 25. Best big match wrestler I've ever seen. Not even a question. He adds something to a match that few others can match.
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Haven't seen him as much as other people but I love what I've seen. I have him in the bottom part of my list but trending up the more I see him.
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Not seeing it. In the big matches I've seen him in, he was always the lesser guy, and I never saw anything from him that made me think he was on the level of his other shoot-style contemporaries.