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Right. I'd say he was good until 2000 at the least, and while there might have been a NOAH highlight or two before he stopped working there, he was basically done as a good worker after the TC run in 2000.

I know where Dylan's going with his point and I'm going to agree with him ahead of time. You did see Jumbo in a lot of different situations, but he basically worked Jumbo most of the time. Hansen had subtle differences against whoever he wrestled, doing different things with Misawa than he would with Kawada or Kobashi. Not to mention his style was fantastic against guys like Andre, Funk and Baba. Dylan will expand on that, but Hansen did have different things he tried to do based on his opponents.

I dunno if you can deduct points because his peak occurred during a high-point for wrestling worldwide, but I think he was a good worker in All Japan in the late 90's, definitely stepping it up after a subpar WWF run. His peak was from 92-96, definitely, and while his AJPW work doesn't hold up to what was being done earlier in the decade, it's still good stuff.

I want to put them in the Top 25, but there's a lot of overrated Steiners stuff out there, especially the two big NJPW tags that were heavily pimped way back when. They do have their share of high-end stuff, but I'm not sold on them being a lock for my list.

Locks for my list, probably Top 15, maybe even Top 10. The series with Ozaki and Kansai speaks for itself, but they have other great matches with Kudo and Toyoda on 5/5/93 and the 1994 tag match with Mita and Shimoda that rank pretty highly up there. Toyota's best work to me was done as a tag wrestler, and while she eventually outshines Yamada near the end of their days as a team, I see them as the best women's tag team ever.

Chigusa is an all-timer and Asuka is great, but I'm not sure if they have the stuff as a team to be considered better than the JBA. The big thing was that as singles competitors, they were pushed pretty hard, leaving them less time to tag up. That being said, they do have a lot of great matches, including the 3/20/86 match with the JBA, but them being more singles driven than tag driven hurts them when putting together a list like this.

I think in the end they have a better argument as a team than the Crush Gals do. I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to put them on my list, though, but I wanted them to be nominated just so people could see how they matched up against other tag teams of the era. If you've only seen their WWE stuff, you'll be even more impressed by what they do in AJW in the 80's.

I see them as a joshi Rose and Somers in a lot of ways considering they didn't tag much. But when they did, they were a dynamite team, and they have one of the greatest series of tag matches in history under their belts. I'm gonna make room for them on my list, but it'll probably be in the bottom of my Top 25.

One of those teams that wasn't together for very long, but they were absolutely fantastic for the time they were together. Them in 1986 was as good as the AWA got in my opinion. They will be on my list.

The UWF stands out like a sore thumb in a lot of ways. He is a complete outlier in that style but the way he works his stuff in is tremendous. He also looked good in the couple Mexico matches I saw him in.

I just watched Badd vs. DDP from Spring Stampede '94 and really liked it. Not a fantastic match by any means, but everything was done very cleanly and for a guy who hadn't had much training, DDP had a lot of nifty takeovers and you could really see his fluidity even early on. I'm also a big fan of Mero's top rope sunset flip. Considering where they were a year later doing their series, this match was actually a nice feather in both guys' respective caps.

There's also worry that the crowd is gonna drown everyone out with CM Punk chants tonight and that anything having to do with Colt Cabana will be confiscated, as well. And no, Punk doesn't care. Unless it puts him on top and makes him money, Punk doesn't care.

I'm down with this.

HOLY SHIT, PARV!!!!! Before I even clicked on the title of the thread, that was the first thing I was going to bring up. That makes me smile. I also will contemplate knife-edge chopping the hell out of a wall on a semi-regular basis. Also, I'm constantly thinking about music that would be great entrance music. My go to right now is The Darkness' cover of Street Spirit (Fade Out) by Radiohead.

Any issues that come up where someone is complaining about a beehive mentality is normally the problem insomuch that he's pissed nobody's conforming to what he or she likes. So I think that's basically bullshit from the get go. I have a huge problem with people coming into an open forum and trying to get people to get on their side about things. That's why I got out of the now-locked thread conversation. Screaming at the Wailing Wall and such. If anything, the GWE project for me has shown a lot of different viewpoints on what people like in their wrestling, and we're only a month in or so. I'm not gonna be pissed if someone has Fujiwara at #1, Austin at #1, Toyota at #1, Flair at #1, Fujinami at #1, whatever. I have no qualms with how anyone perceives wrestling. Come in here with what you like about wrestling. Hear about what other people like. Have opinions. Argue those opinions. But don't try and change other people's minds and then get all pissy because they don't share the opinion you do after watching recommended matches. When shit gets personal, that's when whatever you're saying loses all credibility with me. Your opinion ceases to matter because you haven't learned to have a proper discourse. Like Will said in the locked thread, he can have convos with a Naylor or an Alan, who have a huge difference in what they like in pro wrestling, and still be happy talking about wrestling. I think we all need to take a cue from that, and for the most part, I believe we have. tl;dr, I don't think anything needs to be changed. Keep it up, guys. You're my #1 spot for pro wrestling on the inter webs.

Some joshi teams: (EDIT: Now with reviews!) Manami Toyota and Toshiyo Yamada (Non-Kansai/Ozaki series recs) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNiXE-7w00k - vs. Megumi Kudo and Combat Toyoda, 5/5/93 After their match at DreamSlam I that didn't turn out to be that great, the rematch is much better here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdmadlotI-4 - vs. Double Inoue, 1/4/94 First match I saw with Kyoko and Toyota in it where you realize down the line they'll pair off because the styles are so similar. Not a fantastic match per se, but worthwhile. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA3CgDMuBjA - vs. LCO (Mima Shimoda and Etsuko Mita), 3/24/94 Coming out party for LCO of sorts, and my favorite non-Kansai/Ozaki tag match. Crush Gals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbVk0uP_3zA - vs. La Galactica and Lola Gonzalez, 1984 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qOh0wKwX8w&index=1&list=PLC635042010AD1015 - vs. Jumping Bomb Angels 3/20/86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mGVAVfG8QU - vs. Yumiko Hotta and Mitsuko Nishiwaki, 11/87 Wanted to show a variety here more than anything else, showing them as an up-and-coming team, a team at the peak of their powers and then against a couple of youngsters themselves. Jumping Bomb Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kHAkRfCXOA - vs. Dump Matsumoto and Bull Nakano, 8/22/85 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezJckMEbfM&index=36&list=PLNXQ5ENPcvUk-xhNb1aFtDwhhTgDIS29C - vs. Yukari Omori and Hisako Uno (Akira Hokuto), 4/5/86 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qMgmhkQy0A - vs. Crush Gals, 87 Tag League The Best, 9/14/87 First match is a great brawl, second match is on there to show how they can carry a young team and the final match is good to see how they compare to the Gals after they've become the most popular act ever in AJW. I AM nominating Dynamite Kansai and Mayumi Ozaki on the strength of the series with Toyota and Yamada, though.

I'm gonna have him on my list, probably at the bottom as one of my favorite choices. There wasn't a guy I enjoyed watching more in the middle of the 2000s. When I knew he was going to be on TV with TNA, it was appointment television until they booked him out of the big picture. With him being reasonably healthy, I would love to see the WWE sign him with so much indy talent being brought in just to see what he could do, but I'm not sure he would do it. But when he was at his best, like Dylan said, he has a case for being the best wrestler on the planet.

I think he's the guy who took the baton from Rey as the workhorse for TV matches in recent years. Very flexible in the ring. Great brawler. He has a lot over the past few years that has made me stand up and take notice, but I think the big takeaway is his ability to have compelling matches with basically anyone on the roster at any time. I could see him taking a spot at the bottom of someone's list, but I don't think there will be room for him on mine.

I can't see them there. I think they had some high points, especially in JCP, but I don't see them making my list when I put a lot of emphasis on Southern-style tag team wrestling.

They'll be on the list. I'm trying to think how many Arn tag teams will be on this list for me when it's all said and done.

For a Top 25, they're on the fence, but these guys truly were innovators. They pushed All Japan's tag team wrestling in a new direction that got picked up throughout the rest of the 1980s and then when it got to the 1990s, produced some all-time classics. I really want to consider them for my list, though.

They will definitely be on my list. Fantastic brawlers, great sellers, and knew how to make a big match memorable. I could see them in my Top 10 when it's all said and done, actually.

I want to find a spot on my list for her because of the Ozaki/Kansai tag series and the awesome IWA Title match with Toyota, but I don't think she has enough. I think she's definitely overlooked during the time period, but she won't be on my list.

I have a blind spot with Bull before she became the top dog and after her Dump's Army stuff, but everything from when she got on top moving forward is really strong stuff. She'll be on my list somewhere.

I think talking about how a pro wrestler overstayed his welcome being a detriment to his case when there's plenty of evidence that Flair was one of hundreds who did so, just on a much larger scale, is pretty hilarious. Especially considering what happened tonight at Yankee Stadium.