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[1992-08-30-WCW-Main Event] Cactus Jack vs Dustin Rhodes
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
Fun match that sets up a Falls Count Anywhere match the following week. Good to hear Ross and Hayes back together on commentary. Less of a brawl than you'd think until the final minute or so. Short, but they did a lot with the time.- 8 replies
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[1992-08-30-WWF-Wrestling Challenge] Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior feud recap
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
So Summerslam aired on PPV a couple of days after it happened, in case anyone was wondering why this is after Summerslam. Warrior and Savage each narrate a really well-produced recap of their feud through their own perspective. I also like that they used that Warrior's punch on Flair missed by a country mile and Flair bumped for it anyway as Savage's excuse that Perfect was in Warrior's pocket early on. Really well done piece of business. -
[1992-08-30-AJW-Grand Prix] Manami Toyota vs Mariko Yoshida
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
This was good, but definitely not worthy of the praise I've seen from Lorefice. Fairly quiet crowd and a solid match, but nothing worth going out of your way to see. All the two counts at the end are very Savage/Steamboat-esque, but the crowd isn't buying a thing.- 10 replies
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[1992-08-29-WWF-Summerslam] Bret Hart vs Davey Boy Smith
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
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McIntyre slapping the announce table in frustration every time he was forced out of the ring was a bit awkward.
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Reigns that really hurt or devalued a title
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[1992-08-29-WWF-Summerslam] Randy Savage vs Ultimate Warrior
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
It is a little overlooked, and the work is solid, but it's not as good as the other Savage match or the Rude match, and the match is so overbooked that it takes away from and overshadows anything happening in the ring. Again, Flair in a suit would have made way more sense than coming to ringside in his robe. I just wasn't a fan of this build at all. If triple threat matches were part of the consciousness at that point, I'm imagining that's what would have headlined this show. -
Jake says he's in WCW to take over the world.
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Short match, but a fun one. The referee hurt the rhythm at times.
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Cornette has raised the stakes to $20,000 by this point. Bob Armstrong says he won't take a check from Cornette -- he needs cash money! Cornette wants No DQ and No Time Limit clauses in the contract, while the Fultons insist that Cornette can't bring the racket to ringside. Corny ain't havin' it, but Bob tells him to take it or leave it, so he takes it. So these two teams will face off next week! Sounds like they're trying to wrap this up so they can move over to Bodies/Rock & Rolls.
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Gilbert at home with the title talking about taking on all comers, this time Tony Anthony specifically.
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[1992-08-29-USWA-TV[ Tommy Rich vs Bill Dundee / Interview: Bill Dundee
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
Highlights from 8/24 at MSC. The match gets thrown out when the ref gets attacked and they have a big pull apart after it's over. Dundee comes into the studio and delivers this gem: "We do this for money. That's right, that's the main thing in your mind when you get into the wrestling business or any kind of professional sport -- it's for money. And sometimes you do it for belts, and sometimes you do it for titles, and sometimes you just do it." Dundee is missed when he's not around. We wrap up with a Rich video that is mostly 1986-1987 footage during the Lawler/Idol feud.- 13 replies
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The WWF/USWA working relationship has begun! Jimmy Hart sends in a promo against a WWF green screen, and probably does a longer interview than he ever had the chance to do in the WWF. It's here I realize just how badly he was misused on a national stage, because this is really good. He challenges the nerve of Jeff Jarrett showing up at the Pyramid and challenging Bret Hart to a match recently, and says the lowest guys on the totem pole in the WWF could beat Jarrett or Lawler, much less Bret Hart. He also gets in some great lines about how the WWF has seven trucks with all of their equipment from show to show, while the USWA has one pickup with "maypop" tires (which everyone in the South knows means may pop at any minute). Jimmy Hart could have done great things in the WWF beyond just being the #2 manager who does 30 second insert promos and holds a megaphone. Sad. Then we cut to the studio for a response from Lawler and Jarrett. Lawler is on fire! The sheer volume of great promos from Lawler over the years is staggering. He mentions how he and Jimmy Hart went to high school together and he ended up hiring him to carry his bags years ago because he felt sorry for him performing with the Gentrys for $150 a week. And he can look down on Lawler all he wants, but if not for Lawler, he'd still be a nobody! He says anyone from the WWF can come in anytime and they'll take them on. Eddie Marlin is out quickly to diffuse this, making sure fans don't think this is WWF vs USWA, that it's just Jimmy Hart being a jerk, but Lawler isn't ready to concede the point just yet. I loved this segment.
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[1992-08-28-UWFi-The Root of Wrestling] Kiyoshi Tamura vs Yoji Anjo
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
I really did enjoy this match, but I just think 30 minutes is too long for this style. There is some great action, but I wish I could chop out the slow spots and make a really action-packed 15 minute match. Then you'd have a great match. As it stands, this is really good, but there's too much time killing. Anjo would certainly have a spot in a revised top 100 list for me though.- 12 replies
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This disappointed me. What made the '93 match work is that Casas insisted on the lucha libre style against Ultimo. Here, the matwork feels way more like formulaic NJ juniors matwork than lucha matwork, which made it less interesting. It's not a bad match, but it's not anything like the '93 classic. I consider it a case of Casas working a guy a few times then figuring out how to get a great match out of him. In August 1992, he wasn't quite there with Ultimo.
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Last few minutes. Warrior in his flesh-colored singlet looking naked except for tassels. Flair and Perfect do a number on Warrior while the Nasties beat up Savage with a chair.
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Bob Armstrong found "Wanted" signs in the SMW locker room putting a $10,000 bounty on Brian Lee's head and he is investigating. Then we get a pair of interview with Cornette and the Bodies, then the Fantastics. Corny's mama put up $10K to get a rematch for the tag titles, but the Fantastics turn them down.
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A triple shot of interviews in the Memphis studio. JT Southern's guitar playing is in competition with Toyota's screaming for the Nails On A Chalkboard award. For the Dundee/Rich interviews, we get a clip of Rich turning on Dundee at the end of an 8-man at Mid South Coliseum (which features quite a bit of SMW talent, for the record). You can do the most by-the-numbers heel turn possible, but Rich and Dundee are such pros that it still seems special. Not to mention that the idea of Tommy Rich in a golf tournament cracks me up.
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I thought this forever. I argued with people for years that it didn't make sense. Yes, Steamboat knowing the best way to hurt Savage would be to take his title was a logical point, but it was also detached from the storyline and implied that he didn't care about the injury. Rude/Steamboat showed a lot more fire than Steamboat/Savage. I think I said all of those things. Then I saw the Toronto match and it changed things. The bloody revenge match had already gone around the horn by the time Wrestlemania hit. Steamboat had chances at the IC title and they had failed because he let his temper get the best of him. He wasn't going to let the same happen here. That missing piece of the puzzle changed the way I looked at the match. In a wrestling company with good announcers, they might have pointed out that we saw a calmer, cooler and more collected Steamboat than we had seen in recent months, and that perhaps failed attempts to beat Savage on shows all over the country has made him re-think his strategy. Maybe even adding that after talking with Steamboat earlier in the day, he said his game plan would now be to outwrestle Savage and take what's most important to him. But that wasn't the Gorilla way. Not that I blame him entirely. That just wasn't the WWF way.
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Just don't be the parent who lets the kids run all over the restaurant and be loud.
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We have to be careful not to let "self conscious epic" creep into posts regularly as a phrase. We also need to clarify that not every attempt to have a great match is a self conscious epic. All wrestling is calculated, but it's the difference between the audience deciding something is a classic and being force fed one. Savage and Steamboat wanted to have a great match, but I wouldn't refer to WM3 as a wankfest at all. Even El-P, who coined the phrase "self conscious epic", would probably loathe that given his general problem with repeated phrases like "he plays his role well".
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[1992-08-22-AJPW-Summer Action Series II] Stan Hansen vs Mitsuharu Misawa
Loss replied to Loss's topic in August 1992
Really not something I'd call a disappointing match unless I didn't already know before I watched it that it was a disappointing match. But it's very, very dull. Still, Misawa winning the TC for the first time is a tremendous moment.- 22 replies
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It was interesting to see Taue put in the position to be the savior for his team multiple times while Jumbo took a beating from Doc and Gordy. I thought this layout did quite a bit to put Taue over as a player, and of course, Jumbo in the role he's in at this point isn't in a position to sell from underneath very often, but when he does, you remember how great he is at it. Gordy gets a pin after a powerbomb, so it looks like this was a card with some major surprise finishes.
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