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  1. Loss
    I would say the easiest way to say it is that call backs to previous matches are so overstated and obvious that they're hard to miss. Anything subtle or not readily apparent is either a wrestler not doing his job well or a fan having an active imagination.
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    Yes, let's move on to other topics, please. The end.
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    Do people really talk about the various Hase-Mutoh/Muta matches as being great old school matches? I thought people largely talked about them being bloodbaths. Maybe someone has talked about the blood aspects being Old School, which in a sense might be correct. Just don't think anyone ever thought the Hase-Muta were mat matches. John I was referring to the 2001 match that's basically 40 minutes of laying on the mat.
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    So I rewatched this because I liked the Chono match better, but I loved this so much. Lost classic is probably overstating it. Highly enjoyable, excellent match is not. Still a match that will rank well for me.
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    A WCW SN promo in the Worldwide Arena? Anyway, the on cue cheering is REALLY obvious, even though this is a decent interview.
  6. Loss
    Boss Man does an awesome promo, one that's so good in fact that people would rave about it if it happened now. He announces that he's the special ref for Rage in the Cage, and also teases a feud with Kevin Sullivan.
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    JC Ice says he was watching a guy on TV the other day that was "so little he could hula hoop through a Cheerio". JC says Razor had to have been drunk, but DiBiase doesn't drink, so it all doesn't make sense how "stick boy" keeps winning! Kid shows up at the Memphis studio and dares JC to get in the ring and we have a match! He gets the better of JC, so Wolfie comes in and he gets the better of him too. Finally, the numbers catch up until Jeff Jarrett makes the save. Wish they could have gone longer, but this was still really fun.
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    Local promo for a match we have a handheld of! Awesome! I don't know why it surprises me, but it does that Bret is really good in this setting.
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    Not as good as the other two Hase matches, but still good and very heated. Cool to see Fujinami using Hase's tactics against him, using a series of figure fours and finally the scorpion to take the whole thing. The heat from Hase's dragon suplex on was off the charts.
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    Yet another great match. I'm guessing this tournament is considered quite the bright spot in Hase's career. On par with Hase/Hashimoto for me in terms of quality, maybe slightly better, but both are great. This match has a lot more drama and big moves than Hase/Hashimoto without losing the qualities I really liked in that match. Tremendous nearfalls in the closing minutes. Hase's figure four on the floor was awesome. That move seems to be serving him well in the tournament.
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    What's the timetable on this? I haven't heard anything about it in a while. Any possibility they'd show TV blocks (Worldwide, Pro, Saturday Night, etc) in chronological order, then air the big show they are building to? I know, it's not going to happen, but it would be nice. I just hope they don't start from the beginning with the TBS and Monday Night Wars stuff they've already shown on the on-demand version of 24/7.
  12. Loss
    Must see cage match There are a few. I mentioned Steamboat/Youngblood vs Slaughter/Kernodle before and I stand by that. I've seen Backlund/Slaughter get a lot of love, but I'm not sure how it fits into a list like this. War Games '92 was already mentioned as well. Something slightly off the beaten path that I would argue for is the Neidhart/Reed vs Magnum/II match from Christmas of '83 in Mid South. I thought that was an incredible match, and it did get some love, but not nearly what I would say it deserved. Must see high flyers match Sabu vs 1-2-3 Kid from Minneapolis is a good precursor to what indy wrestling would eventually become. It was one of the first post-territory matches that was really memorable. It also shows some of the missed opportunities of the '00s indies, as there's still an evil manager, there's still a DQ that works, there's still a strong face/heel dynamic. It's exciting wrestling that didn't forget its audience. Must see match with blood This is crazy broad, but because I don't know where else to put it, the ROH/CZW six-man I'd put here. I always thought it was an infinitely better match than Cage of Death, which just did nothing for me. That said, I think the idea with this category is a match that is a must-see *because* of the blood, not a match that just happens to have blood. The ROH/CZW six-man I wouldn't say that for. Maybe Slaughter/Sheik, which feels like it belongs here somewhere. Must see mat work El Dandy vs Black Warrior for sure. Must see gimmick match It's cliche I know, but both of the Shawn/Razor ladder matches should be here. Probably the two most important matches of US wrestling in the 90s in terms of changing the style. I have this sneaky suspicion that tomk is going to disagree with this point for some reason. Must see world title bout Flair/Windham from Worldwide is my pick here. I thought about Flair/Steamboat from Chi-Town, and I'd say both have their place, but the Worldwide match is my pick because it really does feel like Barry is taking the title. A match in this category I think should be the best I can think of at making you think you're really about to see a title change, only to not see one at the end. This time, I have this sneaky suspicion that jdw is going to disgree with this point for some reason. Maybe point out that fans at the time wouldn't have thought Barry would get the title at this point. And maybe he's right. But my favorite type of title match is not the one with the challenger who has been built up well, but one with someone who doesn't seem like he's at that level at first who ends up pushing the top guy to the limit and almost squeaking out an upset. Must see 1970s match How about Baba/Robinson from '76? That's one I haven't seen get much love in a while, and it's pretty incredible. I like it better than Robinson/Inoki.
  13. Loss
    It was definitely an upset given their respective positions at the time, but it really feels like a deserved win. Hashimoto is one of the best ever at putting others over. When he does a job, he always goes out of his way to make the other guy look good in winning and usually forfeits a good portion of the match. Hase outwrestled him from start to finish in this one. People would talk for years about Muto/Hase being this great old school match, but I think this fits the description much better. It's not consciously nostalgic and overly calculated like Muto/Hase was, but it feels like a high-end 70s match because of all the matwork with meaning.
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    Wait, I am confused. I thought Andre died in 91 or 93? Is there another match later than Mania 3 that you mean? He's joking about the tall tales surrounding the match, especially from Hogan.
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    I have, but don't remember much about it.
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    This is a lost classic. It's probably the best NJ heavies match for either '96 or '93, at least at this point. It's not as bomb-heavy as your typical All Japan main event of the time, but it's every bit as smartly laid out. Hase slowly destroys Hashimoto through a series of figure fours and Hash fights back with brutal kicks. The matwork is as engaging as in any match I've seen so far in '93 because they are constantly building off the previous struggle instead of just killing time. A MOTYC in a crowded year, and maybe my favorite Hase match (possibly even Hashimoto match) ever.
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    Short, but heated and all action! Awesome match! Liger and Tenryu are great together as you'd hope. Post-match, Fujinami tries to make a beeline for Tenryu, but gets held back.
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    The Macho Midget bites Doink on the butt! What else can I say?
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    Jim Cornette debuts in the WWF! Bobby Heenan is ecstatic and runs to the ring to hug him in an awesome moment! They openly acknowledge SMW and use the words "wrestling" and "belts" a lot. Vince may or may not have gone into shock at ringside.
  20. Loss
    This is really well-produced and Luger actually comes across as a likable, intelligent guy. What's sad watching this is that Luger's talking about his interests outside wrestling and his upbringing. It makes me remember that while Luger probably was a prick, he was also a guy that seemed like he would have no problem adjusting to life without wrestling because he treated it like a business and had a good head on his shoulders. Late 90s WCW destroyed him.
  21. Loss
    Feels like the WWF house show version of what you would expect Steamboat/Regal to be. Fun at times, especially when Regal is giving Steamboat a lecture and he responds by grabbing his hand and twisting it, forcing Regal to scream in pain. But it's more comedy than I really want from these guys. That's not Steamboat's strong suit. Still, an interesting match to put on the yearbook in the context of the time, one that I probably wouldn't have seen otherwise. Match goes to a 10-minute draw. Regal does a snobby promo after the match (with Dundee doing his gimmick cracking me up), which offends Steamboat to a point where he gets in his face. Steamboat is so freakin' corny here, both in the match and in the post-match, saying they should have another match if Regal's "stumina" (Ha!) could handle it.
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    I agree he didn't get booed, but I never heard him get cheered. That always felt like revisionism to me. Even watching Survivor Series '91, I just don't hear it. I always thought though, that it wasn't the feuds with Hogan and Warrior that made Undertaker a bona fide top guy. It was the feud with Jake.
  23. Loss
    So, might the careers of Scorpio and Snow, and the U.S. careers of Furnas and Kroffat, had a better outcome had they jumped to WCW instead of the WWF when they did? They all likely would have ended up in the Benoit/Malenko/Guerrero/Jericho/Rey group, and even when things in WCW fell apart been in a better position to come into WWE with a good spot.
  24. Loss
    I'm thinking about wrestlers and how they were held in a certain regard at a certain time, but because they never hit the level expected, that's been forgotten. Examples: * Buddy Landell was being set up for an NWA World title run * Terry Taylor was a hardcore darling in 1987-1988, considered the next Flair in some ways * Randy Savage was blacklisted for years, despite having tremendous superstar potential * Reckless Youth being all the rage in the late 90s * Chris Jericho being offered the gimmick of The Goon that ended up going to Bill Irwin (The recent WON mention of this in Jericho's HOF bio is the first time I've heard this brought up in years) I'm sure there are lots of others I'm forgetting.
  25. Loss
    From my understanding, it was in 2001. Bischoff had Dave's ear in a big way. Wade reported (correctly) that the Fusient sale was in danger. Dave posted something to the effect of saying he had no idea what to say about Wade's reporting, other than it wasn't true. It continued with little snide comments throughout the years, like Dave saying the WON and Torch are the New York Times and USA Today, and in his review of Bischoff's book, saying he was frustrated that Bischoff implied that he and Wade did the same things. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but that's part of it.
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