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You can do whichever you find preferable. You may want to include a link to your blog in your sig.

You didn't come across as a jerk. It's more that it concerns me if we're alienating people from PWO just because of the wrestlers they happen to like.

Does that mean you're not going to comment on those Joshi matches at all until you've completed priorities one through four?

Ditch, MJH and others, what is your take on this?

I'm going to be watching quite a bit of Suzuki in the near future and will come back to this.

There is a Kudo/Ozaki death match on 4/18/97 and a Kudo/Toyoda death match on 5/5/96. But yeah, no Ozaki/Toyoda.

I'd be interested in hearing you talk about the match where he won his first TC within that stretch. Are you a fan of that match? It didn't seem to come together.

In retrospect, 30th is way too high. Baba is enjoyable, but not that enjoyable. I think I had him in the 80s.

Their best match was probably against Jericho and Eddy on the 2/24/97 Nitro.

He also had a match against Don Leo Jonathan in 1975 that is probably a good look at both guys.

Yeah, Hase already has a thread.

Hey, I actually agree with the point being made about Bigelow not looking so good after finding a broader basis for comparisons. 100% agree, in fact. I just don't like it being tied to a referendum on the board itself.

One of the reasons the Smarkschoice poll in 2006 was such an effective capture of consensus at the time was that Rob Edwards (the SC admin) actually scoured other places to find people to participate. He got ballots from some very unlikely corners of the landscape. I don't know how to go about that, but I do think we should try to somehow get some outside voices involved in this. If we don't, it won't capture general hardcore fan consensus in ten years as much as it will capture what the most active PWO posters thought of wrestlers at the time. If you know someone from another message board who doesn't post here who you think would enjoy this, I encourage you to ask them to come on board.

I should also add that when I see statements like "PWO is all about scrutiny", it bothers me. I don't take it as a compliment and I wonder if I've created a monster. PWO is supposed to be a wrestling message board, not a collection of self-described wrestling academics who have come up with The True And Right Way To Watch Wrestling. And hey, I love those types and they are welcome at the board, but that doesn't mean that anyone who looks at wrestling in a much more relaxed way doesn't have a place here. Posters can be here for whatever reasons they want, and I do appreciate the additional scrutiny that comes with topics sometimes. I participate in it too. But I don't like the idea of saying that's what this board is about.

It wasn't meant as a huge dig to anyone. It was meant more to describe types who go to wrestling sites for news who don't watch or think about old wrestling unless they grew up on it. There's nothing wrong at all with being that type of fan. We're not "better" than anyone because we've watched more wrestling than many fans. We've just watched more wrestling.

11/2/91

That's an interesting point. I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with it. I'm trying to picture how the "P.S." gimmick would have worked as he got older. The 'Birds were shells of their former shelves in the late 80s/early 90s, but no one was more aware of that than Hayes and Garvin were, to the point they made it their whole act. If the "Nature Boy" gimmick works for a guy into his 50s, I guess Michael Hayes could have found a way to make his persona work in his 40s. I'm just trying to picture how it would have worked.

I want an entire show on Nick Patrick.

He was a fiat pick but Dynamite Kid was also either the biggest or second biggest draw in the history of Stampede Wrestling according to someone Bix mentioned to me who I can't remember at the moment.

Hase is definitely someone I'd advocate strongly for and someone that I think deserves a closer look. I'll come back with a full list of match recommendations.

Something that bugs me about Hennig that I think he should get more criticism for is that he apparently had a match with Misawa (as Tiger Mask) in early 1988 that was so bad it killed the crowd and Baba never invited him back. He has a rep in some circles as an elite worker, but he bombed in Japan big time. I should watch the match to see if it's as bad as it's made out to be.

Shawn gets rid of all the seconds before the match. Okay TV match, but disappointing in some ways. Rock grabs a chair and Shawn takes it from him then pelts X-Pac himself to give Rock the win. One of Shawn's many pointless turn, although seeing Vince do a crotch chop is fun.

This is several segments throughout the show. Austin is in the hospital with a concussion and is in a testy mood. The doctor tells him to take a couple of weeks off and he seems unwilling. Austin says Undertaker won't make it to their Buried Alive match at Rock Bottom. A hearse shows up outside the hospital and Undertaker tries to smother Austin with a pillow and choke him out. THAT would not happen now but they end up holding it over him until he's unconscious. He ends up dragging Austin out of the building and loading him into a hearse before taking off. They end up dragging Austin somewhere and throwing him in a grave. Undertaker then sets out to embalm Austin. Then we end up at a funeral home where Undertaker and Bearer can do the deed. Undertaker starts making Satanic chants. Kane shows up at the funeral home to make the save and Austin wakes up at the last second and takes off. This is the single worst thing to appear on WWF TV all year, and one of the worst series of segments all time. HORRIBLE. I can't believe this stuff saw the light of day.