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This was a very well done spotfest, but that's all it was, so it didn't really keep me. I think it went a little long considering the approach to the match.
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5/2/92. Thread here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/13612-arn-anderson-vs-big-josh-wcw-saturday-night-050292-23-falls/
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[1998-11-02-WWF-Raw] Big Bossman, Pat Patterson & Jerry Brisco
Loss replied to Loss's topic in November 1998
The story is that Vince is going to make someone suffer in the cage tonight, but we don't know who he's going to make suffer just yet. Vince wishes he could put every fan in the building in the cage to get beaten up. He screams at Patterson and Brisco to wheel him over to the announcers. He is on quite the roll tonight. For the record, this is the blue bar cage, to add to a conversation that people spend way too much time thinking about. Vince claims that all he asked for was a cup of coffee, which is a great bit of continuity and Boss Man beats up all three guys. This is a great way to re-establish him, build up Austin-Boss Man and get Vince over as the ultimate asshole. Vince does house mic cheerleading over all of this which is priceless. Vince insists that they all bow in allegiance to him which they aren't doing so Vince orders Boss Man to rip their clothes off. This brings Austin out to climb the cage and put the boots to Boss Man. Patterson ends up attacking Austin which distracts him long enough for Boss Man to do a number with his nightstick. CRAZY heat for this. Shane comes out and unlocks the cage. Boss Man is about to attack Shane, but Vince spares him. Then Shane flips his dad off and Undertaker's music kicks in. He enters the cage with Austin and they end up brawling. Austin makes a good showing but Undertaker gets the better of him. Then Kane's music kicks in and HE comes out and sets the cage on fire. Austin and Kane end up doing a number on Undertaker. This was a tremendous segment and an amazing visual, and it wasn't even the go-home for Survivor Series yet. -
Vince comes out before the match to announce that if Rock doesn't defeat Shamrock to win the IC title tonight, he won't go to Survivor Series. Very good match with tons of heat, as Rock is getting over big time. Shamrock and Rock had good chemistry and because of the stakes, the crowd is hanging on to every nearfall. I have been pleasantly surprised at how workrate-y Rock-Shamrock matches are. Shamrock grabs a chair after a ref bump but ends up ricocheting and hitting himself. No ref is there to count the fall. Shamrock ends up getting Rock from behind with a chair, so Rock wins the match but by DQ. So it looks like Rock is out.
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[1998-11-02-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon and Shaquille O'Neill
Loss replied to Loss's topic in November 1998
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[1998-11-02-WWF-Raw] Shane McMahon, Steve Austin & Vince McMahon
Loss replied to Loss's topic in November 1998
Shane promises that Austin will get a title shot the night after Survivor Series on RAW before introducing him to an electric crowd. Before Austin gets a chance to speak, the stooges wheel Vince out. There has been speculation that Vince will retire and he calls it wishful thinking. Vince is incredible once again, saying that when he dies, he doesn't want anyone in sight coming to his funeral because he wants to go STRAIGHT TO HELL. Vince relieves Shane of his corporate responsibilities and says if he wants to be employed by the WWF at all, he'll take the only position available to him, that of a LOWLY REFEREE. If he doesn't do a great job of that, he can be on the ring crew. Vince tells Shane he's not much like him at all, but he's a lot like HIS MOTHER. This is unbelievably great. They show Vince chastising Ross and Lawler during the commercial break. I remember him hilariously tearing into Jim Cornette, but sadly, we missed that clip. -
Jericho makes a funny reference to the NBC special on the Deepest, Darkest Secrets of Pro Wrestling the night before before getting to matters at hand. Jericho says he wants to put everything in the past - it doesn't matter that Goldberg lost the matches and that Jericho had a superior football career. Short but fun.
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Eddy Guerrero vs Perry Saturn is in progress. The LWO run in to attack Saturn for the DQ. Konnan comes out not really to make the save but to confront everyone in the ring. Everyone stops in their tracks as soon as he shows up. Konnan asks Saturn if he'll let him handle this because this is Raven and the Flock all over again. Nice continuity there. Eddy tells Konnan to go hang out with his "anglo punk" friends in the Wolfpac! Things get heated and this is a nice teaser for a unique feud but we never got it. What we got was probably better in the ring (Eddy vs Rey and Kidman - Juventud involvement), but wouldn't be as cool of a storyline. A-ROD shows up to walk Konnan back to the locker room. How about that.
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Raven is quoting Kris Kristofferson when Kanyon interrupts him and calls him out on his self-pity, turning him babyface in my eyes.
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I'm not really much of a gamer but everyone I knew loved this game.
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Last few minutes. Looks to be a clusterfuck. Say what you want about the WWE style, but they at least make sure two key things aren't happening at the same time so viewer attention isn't split. Sabu does the Arabian Facebuster with a chair on Douglas as he's applying the Tazmission, but knocks out Taz too. Sabu gets the pin, but this leads to Sabu and Taz fighting. I don't really care.
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Joined in progress. The referee turns heel and won't make the count. Masato Tanaka kicks out of the 3D. Doesn't look like much of a match here. Sabu and RVD come out and attack the Dudleys and put them through a pair of tables, giving Balls and Tanaka the win and tag titles.
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[1998-11-01-ECW-November to Remember] Joey Styles and Terry Funk
Loss replied to Loss's topic in November 1998
That crowd shot REALLY looks like Clash 18. Joey runs down the card before we see Terry Funk come out in a graduation camp through a bunch of empty seats that I'm not sure I understand why they'd want to film. Funk says he wasn't invited here by Paul E. He turns on him but also calls Tommy Dreamer a stinking pile of shit. He says Dreamer came to him years ago and said "My dad's a crackhead and my mother is a whore" and asked for his help. Funk said Dreamer promised him he'd call him in his time of need and Dreamer never did. He also wants to do a double flip off the top rope. Looks like a Funk heel turn.- 3 replies
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[1998-11-01-ECW-November to Remember] New Jack arrested
Loss replied to Loss's topic in November 1998
New Jack attacks Jack Victory outside the building earlier in the day and ends up getting arrested for it.- 3 replies
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It's acceptable. We're not the ones who uploaded it. Feel free to post them wherever you want.
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What does it mean to "adopt" it?
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[1950-06-21-Kohler Chicago] Lou Thesz vs Buddy Rogers
Loss replied to Phil Schneider's topic in 1950-1951
Do you have the link for this? I searched and can't find it.- 11 replies
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[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
Loss replied to Loss's topic in Pro Wrestling
Parv, as someone who has watched all of the 80s All Japan (not just Tenryu), I'll be really interested when you get to the Tenryu vs New Japan feud in 1992-1994. He brought Hara, Ishikawa, Fuyuki and others with him and while those guys had long since departed All Japan, the vibe was still All Japan vs New Japan. Tons of heat and loads of fun. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on all of that. -
[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
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I wouldn't vote for Davey Richards because I don't see anything in Davey Richards. Manami Toyota I would vote for because I do see something there. She has tendencies I don't care for as a worker, but she has crafted too many great matches to ignore in spite of that. I'm not arguing that people should vote for wrestlers they loathe. All I'm saying is that if there is a critically acclaimed wrestler I don't like, I'm going to ask myself if it's just because I don't really care for that wrestler's in-ring style but it's one they were great at doing, or if it's more that I don't think they were good at wrestling at all. Davey Richards falls in the latter category for me. Manami Toyota falls in the former category. -
Just to confirm, Solar is El Mariachi, right?
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[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
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If you can acknowledge that someone is great at a style where that style just isn't your cup of tea personally, you know what I mean. There are plenty of people who have consensus backing where I just don't see anything there. I won't vote for them. I'm referring more to people who you can acknowledge did what they were trying to do well, but you just don't like what they were doing. -
October: #1 - Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 10/31/98) ****3/4 #2 - Olimpico vs Halcon Negro (CMLL 10/23/98) ****1/2 #3 - El Hijo del Santo vs Felino (Monterrey 10/18/98) **** #4 - Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue (AJPW 10/11/98) **** #5 - Olimpico vs Halcon Negro (CMLL 10/30/98) **** #6 - Bret Hart vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Monday Nitro 10/26/98) ***1/2 #7 - Goldberg vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Halloween Havoc 10/25/98) ***1/4 #8 - Bret Hart vs Sting (WCW Monday Nitro 10/05/98) *** #9 - Steve Austin & The Rock vs Undertaker & Kane (WWF Monday Night RAW 10/12/98) *** #10 - Val Venis vs Goldust (WWF Judgment Day 10/18/98) *** #11 - Aja Kong vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO 10/20/98) #12 - Yuki Ishikawa vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (BattlARTS 10/05/98) #13 - Jerry Lawler vs Rex King (MPPW TV 10/24/98) #14 - Hulk Hogan & Bret Hart vs Sting & Ultimate Warrior (WCW Monday Nitro 10/12/98) #15 - Steve Austin vs Ken Shamrock (WWF Monday Night RAW 10/26/98) #16 - Chris Jericho vs Diamond Dallas Page (WCW Monday Nitro 10/19/98) #17 - Rey Misterio Jr. vs Billy Kidman (WCW Monday Nitro 10/19/98) #18 - Hulk Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior (WCW Halloween Havoc 10/25/98)
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[1998-10-31-AJPW-October Giant Series] Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi
Loss replied to Loss's topic in October 1998
This was an incredible, classic match with a few moments of overkill that take it down ever so slightly. It's a shame because the first 20-25 minutes of this were both unusually reserved and absolutely spectacular, to the point that I think it was a better match body than their 1/97 match. The TD '91 on the floor - with Kobashi continuing - lost me momentarily. To their credit, everything after that was tremendous again. I even liked that Kobashi got so many kickouts because it did show some growth from their last match, so I didn't think that was excessive at all, even though they did lose the crowd with some of that. Misawa had to drill Kobashi repeatedly to get the win in the end. They went too far, yes, but only slightly. It wasn't nearly as over the top as I feared it would be. Kobashi is going to be all over my top ten for the year.- 13 replies
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We need a Rotten Tomatoes for wrestling matches.