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  1. Loss
    Lawler's "One can't grieve forever" line never fails to piss me off. Sable is out to dedicate the WWF Women's Championship to all the fans who made her what she is. Shane McMahon interrupts her and takes exception to the idea that fans made Sable. VINCE made Sable. Sable and her scripted lines are so bad that I have to laugh.
  2. Loss
    Ugh. This. Hawk comes out with no face pain on and climbs the Titantron and threatens to jump off and kill himself. Animal and Ellering try to talk to him down. This was all the culmination of an angle where Droz was revealed to be dealing drugs to Hawk in order to throw him off his game and ease his way into Hawk's spot in the LOD. Droz climbs up and tries to talk him down. He ends up pushing Hawk, who falls backwards off the Titantron and everyone freaks out before Hawk is carted away in an ambulance. This is one of the worst segments in the history of pro wrestling. No one wants to see this on a wrestling show.
  3. Loss
    Shamrock and Boss Man are fighting each other when Vince comes out to reason with them. Vince tries to reason with Shamrock by saying they are a lot alike because they both grew up in broken homes and that everything they have they had to fight for because no one gave them anything. Insert your own jokes. Vince tells Shamrock he can give him the one thing he never had growing up - family. They end up shaking hands, and The Corporation is now a heel stable.
  4. Loss
    Chyna comes out when Mark Henry is facing Val Venis. Henry sees her and gets excited, but is distracted long enough for Val to get the win. Henry says their lawyers have had lots of problems lately, but all he wants is for them to have a nice dinner. "No sex involved, I just want you." He has another poem (which he's MEMORIZED!) to read to Chyna. She walks away stone faced.
  5. Loss
    Vince briefly talks about the value of kissing the boss's ass before turning the stage over to the corporate champion - The Rock! Vince's facial expressions while Rock is talking are great. He renames The People's Elbow as The Corporate Elbow. This is long and is all about letting Rock's heel turn sink in with everyone. Vince asks what it's like to kiss his ass. Shane says he kinda likes it, and Rock says it's nothing since he's a millionaire and the WWF champ. Vince then recaps how they got to this point and this is the WWF's strong point during this time, as they show old clips of how they were always in cahoots. But before they can do that, we see Austin arriving on the Titantron, much to Vince's chagrin. They finally get around to it and end up throwing all sorts of insults toward Austin and Foley. Austin finally makes his way to the ring and calls The Rock a sorry sellout son of a bitch. Vince points out that there was a clause in the new contract Austin signed that he can't touch Vince unless he's provoked. Austin comes armed with a clip of his own - Shane told everyone two weeks ago that Austin would get a title shot the day after Survivor Series. Vince says not to get excited because that was overruled. However, Austin has a legally binding contract to give him a title shot against The Rock tonight. Vince: "THAT'S NOTEBOOK PAPER!" Austin took it to a judge it turns out and it is legally binding. He shows footage from JUDGE MILLS LANE to back up his case and Austin vs Rock, which drew a monster rating, is set for tonight!
  6. Loss
    Goldberg and Bigelow have agreed to have a match. Bigelow attacks Goldberg during the entrance and they brawl out of the building. Pretty great! So odd that this was the only time Goldberg actually had a real program and rivalry the entire time he was champion.
  7. Loss
    Hogan is now using "Hail To The Chief" as his entrance music. The ring fills with red, white and blue balloons and a flag drops from the Nitro stage. They did it above the ring the week before, but ended up obstructing the view of so many fans that I guess they thought better of it this week. He brings out his new intern and it's a Monica Lewinsky lookalike. Okay then. Tony won't let Bobby make any jokes. She even brings a cigar with her. This is supposed to be funny? Hogan asks Bischoff to come out to bask in the moment with him. Bischoff is still selling the frustration from the earlier segment. Bischoff tells Hogan if he has faith in anything, it's in Hulk's ability to take care of business. Scott Hall comes out and wants to confront Bischoff on where his head is. Why? Bischoff points out that him asking that question of all people is funny, and he is spot on on that one. Hall isn't dropping the issue and Bischoff says they can take care of this (what is this?) off camera. Hall slugs Bischoff and gets attacked from behind by Hogan. Nash makes the save and runs Hogan off before telling Hall he'll see him on Sunday. This was to set up Hall as a loner who had no friends, but it felt awfully abrupt. Maybe it's something new booker Nash wanted to take care of right away? I don't know.
  8. Loss
    Bam Bam Bigelow debuts in WCW, wreaking havoc in the backstage area and demanding Goldberg. He storms into his dressing room but he's nowhere to be found. Gene Okerlund is trying to figure out what's going on. Bigelow ends up walking out in front of the live crowd. He destroys Chavo Guerrero Jr. and Scott Putski, who are in the middle of a match (I always HATE that sort of thing) and then gets on the house mic and tells Goldberg to get his ass out there. Eric Bischoff, JJ Dillon and security show up to throw him out. Bigelow is a great opponent for Goldberg. Police fill the ring and are ready to arrest Bigelow when Goldberg runs to the ring and the crowd goes insane. This closes with Bischoff demanding to see JJ in the back immediately. He ends up firing him on the spot for letting this happen and JJ he can't be fired because "I quit". They talk about how Bischoff brought JJ in and gave him an opportunity, which is not at all what the storyline was. How did Bischoff regain power over WCW affairs since 1997 anyway? That aside, this is the best Nitro segment in months. Awesome way to debut Bam Bam.
  9. Loss
    Rey has cool music during this time, but the announcers are never quiet enough for me to hear it well. Eddy attempts to recruit Rey for the NWO and again wants the stip that if he wins, Rey joins the LWO. Rey agrees to it. They hit some really cool spots here and Eddy also brings the heel tactics to give this some bite. Rey tries a lot of new stuff and doesn't quite hit all of it, which kills the crowd at times. They seem to be more into it when Eddy is in control. This was good, but uneven. Eddy has Rey pinned after a powerbomb but the ref is distracted (Why would Eddy's own guy distract when Eddy is winning?) Juventud comes in to attack Eddy but accidentally hits Rey, giving Eddy the win and meaning Rey has to join the LWO. This was really haphazardly executed and the match has its moments but disappoints overall.
  10. Loss
    Flair with an epic "Mean Gene" to start out. Flair confirms that Eric Bischoff has had Arn Anderson thrown out of the ring. This is a great promo. Flair tells Bischoff if he was a man, he'd just chop him so hard he'd have four nipples - two on the front and two on the back. But he's not a man so he has to get at him another way. Flair brings out Barry Windham, which is supposed to be some way of sticking it to Bischoff. That might have worked ten years earlier. Who cares about Barry Windham in 1998? Bischoff ends up coming out. The storyline is that Flair "hired" him and Bischoff says he has no authority to do that, but Flair claims that HE is the one paying Barry's salary. What? I love Ric in this, but that storyline makes zero sense.
  11. Loss
    We get footage of Hogan at a press conference earlier today, flanked by the NWO. He talks about his Presidential run and gives a check to some charity. Such a bizarre thing to do in character because there's no possible wrestling payoff.
  12. Loss
    This is a super match, much better match than the September one, and I liked that one quite a bit. Juventud really knew how to get the best out of Kidman. I think keeping the crowd in Wichita, KS is more impressive than it was doing it in Greensville, SC, a strong WCW town with a Flair return and Sting-Goldberg on the card, coming fresh off of a Kidman makeover. They had the people rocking on every nearfall and I thought they did an excellent job teasing finishes. I'm not giving this the review it deserves but it's worth going out of your way to see. Great match, almost surprisingly so.
  13. Loss
    Let me just clarify that I don't mean to discount that people weren't huge fans of Taue at the time and that he's the least good of the four. I think it's something that should absolutely be considered and treated fairly when talking about him as a HOF candidate. It's not BS I want to completely dismiss out of hand. But I also think that being down on Taue for not being as good as Misawa, Kawada and Kobashi is a ridiculously high standard, especially when he looks favorable in comparison to EVERY New Japan heavyweight in the same time period, many of whom are in the HOF. Did any of them ever have a singles match that touched Misawa-Taue in the Carny final of '95? I'm not arguing Taue as a star or a draw, for the record. I am arguing him as a work candidate.
  14. Loss
    Should we be relying on old memories instead?
  15. Loss
    Crowd is a little burned out by this point and has seen each of these guys many times already in the evening. One-night tournaments take a certain type of booking and certain types of talent to pull off in a way where heat can be sustained all night, and as much as I enjoy the WWF at this point, this isn't the crew or the booking to do it. I'm reminded of Mick's book where he talked about how he was drawing blanks on what to do in this match and knew it was tanking, and that it was entirely his fault. It did get much better after a really rough start, but the first few minutes were a bust. Mankind works most of this as the de facto heel and Rock as the babyface, and the dynamic works really well. I was really impressed by how they ended up getting the crowd hot after being so BAD early on. And of course we get the legendary swerve finish where Rock applies the sharpshooter and Vince demands the bell be rung so Rock can win the title. Shane raises his hand and the WWF is obviously going to give us the Rock babyface run we want, but they are going to get everything they can out of him as a heel first. That's the kind of patience I can't imagine them having these days, but honestly, I'm not sure it would work in the context of a wrestling promotion fans don't trust to do the right thing. The WWF had that trust and it was easier to book long-term. Vince does a scorched earth promo on Foley after the match and explains some of their master plan, but says he'll get into it more on RAW. Mankind wants an explanation and eats a Rock Bottom for his troubles. Austin shows up and the Wrestlemania build is already in effect, with Rock eating a stunner and getting thrown out of the ring. Mankind ends up eating a stunner as a receipt for his earlier actions too. This was some really good short-term and long-term booking, tired Montreal reference be damned.
  16. Loss

    Jimmy Jacobs

    Loss replied to Grimmas's topic in Nominees

    I remember thinking the Jacobs-Whitmer brawls were uncomfortably and needlessly violent, and I'm someone who loves death matches.
  17. Loss

    The Nomination Thread

    Loss replied to Grimmas's topic in 2016

    I won't hold it against you either, especially if you still feel that way after watching a big cross section of stuff from all eras and places.
  18. Loss
    I've never seen Taue get booed for blowing a spot or slowing down a match. I've seen him booed for gouging a guy's face, using a chair, dropping someone knee first on the guard rail, slapping a guy, etc. All heel tactics.
  19. Loss

    Rick Steiner

    Loss replied to Grimmas's topic in Nominees

    Really? I actually think Rick was the better wrestler of the team. Scott was the more explosive guy with more superstar presence, but I think Rick is the more complete wrestler. Not that I'd have him in my top 100 or anywhere close.
  20. Loss
    This is a hard show to do full justice in compilation form because it truly is a case of an entire PPV telling a story. This is the peak of Vince Russo's career and one night where his vision was executed in a way that worked really well for me, with this match being the highlight of the show. It's not that it's even a good match. In fact, it's really a disappointing match. It's more that it's such a rare example of overbooking something to death working. This gets fun when Vince pulls the ref out of the ring and slugs him when he's counting the fall after Austin's stunner on Vince. Shane turning on Austin by doing a two-count and then just stopping really is a classic Attitude Era moment. I think this is the match where Boss Man was supposed to do a run-in and Austin was pissed off because he completely missed it because he was in the back chatting with Undertaker. So Patterson and Brisco ran in and hit Austin with a chair. Vince can suddenly walk! It's a miracle! He takes off running and Austin goes to look for him.
  21. Loss
    More of a snapshot to show how over Austin was at this point than anything else. Boss Man got in great shape for this run, but didn't really deliver anything in the ring. Boss Man hits Austin with the nightstick for the DQ, which means Austin advances. They do an injury angle as Boss Man continues the attack longer after the match. Vince laughs while watching on, which is part of the overall scheme to weaken him going into the next round. Vince seems unaffected by Austin advancing in the tournament, simply saying the night is young and there's far more where that came from.
  22. Loss
    Everyone thought Shawn Michaels was going to be the mystery opponent at the time. Little did they know. It ends up being Duane Gill and this is actually a hilarious angle. I love that Vince has a prepared statement he reads to intro him. He also has a Titantron video and gets pyro, which hilarious scares the shit out of him. We learn that the Pasadena Chargers is an elementary football team in one of my favorite lines of the year. Mankind makes quick work of Duane Gill on his way to the finals.
  23. Loss
    Last minute hype segment from Heat involving all the big names and major players going into Survivor Series. Cool to see X-Pac in with all the top guys. Not much substance to this but lots of brawling, entrance music and run-ins guaranteed to get back-to-back pops.
  24. Loss

    Eddie Gilbert

    Loss replied to Grimmas's topic in Nominees

    When did you watch those matches? I've never heard you say anything about them.
  25. Loss
    Brian Christopher is out and wants to confront Jerry Lawler. He's here to talk about Lawler's first marriage, but Lawler is unphased and wants to know what this has to do with wrestling. Christopher counters that his Christmas card he was out here hawking earlier has nothing to do with wrestling, just like Stacy has nothing to do with wrestling. This brings Stacy out to defend herself. Brian reveals that Lawler is like the Road Warriors in the WWF, needing a pretty blond to come out so people cheer since they're irrelevant otherwise. Ouch. Now Dundee is out because his name was brought up and Christopher talks about how everyone is too old. Brian Christopher tries so hard as a heel on promos that he isn't believable.
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