khawk20

This.

There is lots, including almost all of 1984 and good chunks of pretty much every other year in the 80's.

Sometime later this year it'll all be available in one convenient package.

If you're covering the all-time wrestlers in a territory, the AWA would be Verne, Bockwinkel, Crusher, and probably Mad Dog Vachon. If it's just the 80's or something like that, never mind...

What this summary tells me (if accurate) is that JCP did more with less and knew how to book their guys to maximize their drawing power. The WWF did less with more, possibly due to there being too many hands and not enough TV time to build compelling feuds and matchups.

Mad Dog Vachon being used regularly in the Twin Cities between June 1984 and August 1985 is a good example of booking someone as a "regional" draw.

Mods, please feel free to move this to The Microscope Forum if it belongs there... We all talk about guys we consider for the GOAT tag. It's obvious that anyone finishing in your own personal Top 10 is someone you consider exceptional. My question is, where is your bar when considering GOAT candidates, in terms of the lowest number on your personal list? For example, say I have 25 guys that I believe are seriously in the GOAT discussion. Anyone I would rank at 26 and lower I would consider great wrestlers, but not serious GOAT candidates because 25 is my personal bar. Given that we are picking people from a cast of literally thousands, I imagine that some people have a list of 100 or more guys they could argue for, to some degree. Others might have 4 or 5. I'm just trying to gage where people are with this aspect of it. I would think that the depth of discussion would limit a lot of people to seriously considering ten at best, but this is also a place where the people have watched more styles, promotions, and wrestlers in general than almost anywhere else, thereby opening up tons more guys for serious consideration. I don't think there is a right or wrong number of candidates to consider, but maybe some of you do.

Not that this sort of cynicism is unwarranted, but it wouldn't shock me if Backlund was on the planned list this year all along. Maybe Backlund finally gave up the idea that he had one more run still in him. I recall reading that he has "refused" induction previously for that reason.

Best part of this from my perspective is that when Classics on Demand does his HOF month, they may have an unseen match or two to show us from the vault. We can hope, anyway. They did pull that Backlund-Valentine 1 hour draw out of nowhere a few years back for something.

The tape-trader equivalent of this would be the dudes that would show up yearly and claim to have footage of Backlund-Flair or the Last Battle of Atlanta, or whatever the hot "wish this clip existed" want for that year was.

Because of Jannetty though, right?

Hey, just trying to prevent you from having a stroke. Feeling like your blood is congealing is probably a sign of that.

Some people like different things than you do. If you remember that it will possibly stop the congealing of your hands and anything else that begins to tighten up.

I'm thinking at this point my authoring software is just too outdated. I've been looking at upgrading to TMPGEnc DVD Author version 5, which seems to be able to convert .flv files and many others to a dvd-ready file right in the program itself. I just loathe trying something new because the software I use know I know top to bottom and it doesn't take a lot of thought to get it to do what I want. I'll fool around with keepvid some more tonight now that my toolbar phobia seems to have been dispelled. If anyone has suggestions for other authoring software that is simple yet effective, feel free to suggest it (via PM if the mods would rather this not be on the main board). Thanks.

Date?

If there is a better name for what I'm asking about, please suggest it. Pinball bumping was just what I called it, for lack of a better term that captured the spirit of what I was looking for.

In our market, there is/was a monopoly in place for the TV (Unofficially, you understand, but obvious) that prevented us from getting TBS on regualr cable, when the smaller (like, 10 times smaller) towns within an hour of us were able to get it. It was quite maddening. I don't know if this sort of thing might have been a problem in other parts of Canada, or if it was exclusively a quirk to our market. Not sure if anything existed like that in the U.S. or not either. We're a weird city for exclusivity in certain areas ($$$$ + grease + palm = exclusive contracts, I suppose...) Once I got the big C-band dish in late 85-early 86 there was little I couldn't get, wrestling-wise. Prior to that the NWA was only something I could read about.

Badd Company did their thing in the AWA in 88-89, I'd include them. Ditto to the run of the Fabulous Ones (not just in the AWA, of course). Memphis, all by itself has a lot of teams that deserve a ranking, I would imagine. .. also wondering about the inclusion of Power and Glory, I have it in my head that they were a 90-91 entity and only scraped the back end of 1989, if anything. I could be wrong as the years tend to jumble sometimes.

I'd consider "Pinball" similar to "over-the-top", in terms of athletic actions in response to a move or hold. Hennig getting his legs licked out from under him while he was holding the ropes, for example, or the "Flair flip" (for lack of a better term) into the turnbuckles, or Adrian Adonis being punched over the ropes so he ende dup with his arm tied up in them, exposed to the whim of the face. Buddy Rose getting knocked out of the ring back-first (the one where he catches the ropes with his toes at the last second to avoid hitting his head on the concrete) might also apply.

Had a discussion about this via e-mail and the question was posed to me about whether or not Ray Stevens was the primary influence of the "Pinball" style of bumping, taking such bumps as the upside-down-turnbuckle roll (ala Flair), or holding the ropes and getting your leg kicked so you go flying upwards (ala Hennig). A lot of guys that worked in the late 70's and 80's that employed some form of the Pinball style as their styles developed (such as Adrian Adonis, or Curt Hennig) would have had exposure to Stevens in their formative years, so I can see them learning from him. Bobby Heenan would certainly have picked up a lot of how he bumped from watching and working with Stevens. When you consider that the bumping style from the 50's seems a lot different than what it developed into in the next few decades, it would not surprise me if Stevens was the originator of a lot of that style. Did Stevens originate a lot of those bumps? If not who were his influences?

Help. I've been trying to rip some AWA stuff off of youtube and I've read keepvid is the way to go. Trouble is it seems to want to install a toolbar when you try to download it and the last thing I need is another toolbar. Any way around that? It doesn't look like one of those install screens that you can uncheck and still get the program but not the toolbar, it looks to be built into the process. ...also wondering how this program is for converting stuff to mpeg1 or mpeg2 fro mit's original video file. I ask about those ones specifically because I'm using an authoring program (an older one) that wants the video in one of those two formats. Any help on the subject feel free to answer here or PM me if you don't want to clutter things up here. thanks.