Phil Schneider

You shouldn't blame anyone for a PWG Davey Richards match, that guy in that place does his thing, and everyone has to adjust

He is going to need to either get fired and get back to the indies, or show up on NXT or WWE TV to make it, but he was awesome in the indies and on his way to a case

I love ikeda too, but I am with Childs. Ishikawa has more range, and doesn't have the stinkers on his resume that Ikeda has

I don't see it, I don't even have him as a top 5 light skinned indy flyer

Brazos Villanos Shield Los Infernaros

I'm pretty sure I copied that show from your collection. You should have it, unless you threw it out in a post-nuptial purge. Not thrown out, but my DVD collection is boxed up somewhere

I was watching all of the UWF with Tomk years ago, but we never got to that show. Is that match online?

Here is the Rui Huyagi match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX8BrNy6Tlg And what I wrote about it Dick Togo v. Rui Hiugaji MPRO 12/16/10-EPIC Another excellent 2010 Togo singles match, and one worked dramatically different from either the Billy Ken Kid or Hikaru Sato matches. This really reminded me of a 80's Lawler v. Austin Idol match. The first part of the match is all about Hugaji trying to stall and avoid a punch and Togo finally landing it. Then Hiugaji takes him to the floor and busts him up with a chair shot, and then works a really simple effective beatdown based around opening up a cut. Hiugaji doesn't do anything flashy, but he is a nasty fucker, and his bumping when Togo punches his way to a comeback is great. They also exchange some really solid haymakers. Togo has been unleashing a great superkick lately and he obliterates Hiugaji with one here, and I loved the rolling around for the crossface finish. No Togo dive (outside of a flip off the apron) and no big senton, this was a match built on selling and timing not athleticism. It's a match Togo could work into his 60's, so Dick, if you are reading this, no need to retire.

If he has even one other match at the same level as the Honda match, he's a guy people need to seriously consider for Top 50. Watch the other matches I mentioned, they are right at that level. I didn't like the matches Alan mentioned as much, but Togo was very good in them

Togo's amazing 2010-11 run pushes him really high on my list. Epic matches with guys like billy ken kid, Antonio Honda, Hikari Sato, Rui Huyagi and 7 random Chilaens. Not exactly a murderers row of opponents and the matches were straight up classics. He might have been the best wrestler in the world on the day he retired

There shouldn't be a seprate section. Trios teams should just be mixed in with duos

I really disagree with Will, I think trios teams should count, especially because tag team wrestling isn't really a thing in Mexico, so if you are excluding trios you aren't going to have Missionaires De La Muerte or the Brazos or Los Buccanaros

We are live blogging this over at Segunda Caida http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2014/09/wwe-night-of-champions-live-blog.html

I found the Rocca v Cota match. I DEMAND MY PROPS

Didn't see this until now, but the New Yorker did a mini documentary to go with the article

Atlantis v. Ultimo Guerrerro was a classic on initial viewing. Got to help his case

Here are some Segunda Caida reviews from 2007 Jimmy Jacobs which was his year. Not sure how much of this is online BJ Whitmer v. Jimmy Jacobs ROH 1/27 I think there is an argument to be made, that, for basically the same guy, current Jimmy Jacobs is better then Eddie Gilbert ever was. Tiny guy with great wrestling mind who was best in crazy brawls. The entire Jimmy loves Lacey angle was truly brilliant, I can't think of a better angle in the last ten years, and it was pretty much all Jacobs. This was part of that saga, as Jacobs tries to get revenge on Whitmer who he blames for disfiguring his love, turning him from Emo to Screamo. Even without the backstory this was a great brawl. Building from chairshots and spikings to insane spears into guardrails and Jacobs flying headfirst into chairs. Both guys spray blood out of their heads, and land wrong on their necks. Weirdest thing about the match is BJ Whitmer doesn't actually do anything that bothers me. Even the BJ Whitmer matches I have liked, there are moments where I go "Fuck this guy." Here he was completely inoffensive and bled and bumped enough not to drag down the Jacobs show. The ending was pretty ass, as that fake Benoit guy from Smackdown with a muscle queen back tattoo comes in and Exploders Whitmer through a table. I forgive it, because this wasn't the end of a feud so you need a reason for these two to keep killing each other, but it dropped the match below your other high end 2007 garbage. Colt Cabana v. Jimmy Jacobs ROH 2/24 This is one of the two blowoffs for the best angle in wrestling in the last decade, one could make an argument for Rey v. Eddie feud, but this was an amazing story executed amazing, while that was kind of stupid story executed amazingly. Cabana does an amazing opening promo which was like a serious Ric Flair promo mixed with a Hyman Roth speech. Jacobs and Lacey are then interviewed by ex Jacobs girlfriend Becky Bayless which added a little creepiness to it. As an aside, what happened to Becky Bayless? She was able to survive being an ECW rat and still have some youthfulness and prettiness in her, but apparently a semester abroad took it all out her, what happened to her in Paris? Did Chiwetel Ejifor cut out a kidney or something? Match just starts amazing with both guys going after each other. Cabana busts open Jacobs with a dusty elbow and he reveals scissors in the elbow pad. They then really have the worlds greatest Tiger Jeet Singh match as they stab the shit out of each other with bunches of cool shit in cool ways. Jacobs breaks Cabana's Chicago flag over his back and stabs him in the face with the jagged wood and then wipes the blood off his face with the flag, which is a great "disrespect your local scene" spot. Also earlier in the match Cabana misses Jacobs and stabs the scissors into the turnbuckle getting them stuck, then about ten minutes later he gets whipped into the corner and is able to pull the scissors out and uses them again, to counter a Jacobs attack it was a really nice piece of match layout. While we were watching this, I said "This is going to be my number one, unless they have Brent Albright run in or something." Moments later in comes shitty HGH belly, tribal tattoo Albright to stink up the match. Whitmer runs in too, and we have shit city briefly, as Whitmer throws Lisa Simpson windmill punches on Albright. The match never really regained its momentum after that, as they moved from a Sheik match to a Sabu match, while the big table senton off a ladder was crazy, it took too long to set up, and didn't have the intensity of the parts that involved stabbing. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/4 The first third of the year was Jimmy Jacobs time. They had been building his feuds with Whitmer and Cabana for months, and he had been the best character in wrestling for most of 2006. Then they wrap it all up in the first part of 2007 and he gets to absolutely rule it in the ring. I haven't watched the cage match yet, but this was the best of the Jacobs brawls so far. This was a falls count anywhere match, and Jacobs gets thrown through everything in the arena. He goes through chairs, down the bar knocking over drinks, head over heels down stairs. He pretty much touches every part of the arena with his head. Jimmy also does a crazy looking plancha off the balcony. When they get into the ring, they have the great Shiek sections of ever Jacobs brawl, where he stabs Whitmer in the head, and then wipes his face in Whitmers blood, and lays underneath Whitmers bleeding head and yells "BLEED ON ME BJ". It feels less like a move to gross out the fans, then something a legit depressed cutter emo kid would do in a fight. Whitmer was along for the ride, but much like their January match did nothing to irritate me. I would love to see Jacobs in a feud with a top notch brawler like Necro or Homicide, but BJ at least didn't fuck it up. Your finish run was nasty enough to buy it ending the match, but not so nasty that it felt like a feud ender. Man I can't wait to watch that cage match. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/31 I was anticipating this match as much as any match I can remember, so I was bound to be a little disappointed. Jacobs was spectacular as usual, as he is really the only guy fucking with Cena for the first part of 2007. Much like the Cabana match this started out amazing, but seemed to fall a little flat. The Frye/Takayama spot with the spikes was one of my favorite spots in the history the promotion, just so awesome and violent. Jacobs creepy blood fetish stuff was super too, licking Whitmer's face, combing his hair with the barbed wire bat, stabbing himself with the spike, just gruesome. Plus those fucking tights with one crying eye and one bleeding eye were just off the chain, if it wouldn't effect my burial, I would get that as a tattoo. The senton from the top of the cage is a hell of a way to finish the feud and both guys looked completely destroyed. Still this match had some problems. Having Nick Diaz come from the back with weapons to slide into the cage was terrible, both guys have seconds, they could certainly grab things from the bottom of the ring. You would think if Diaz was going to bring them anything it would be a one hitter so they wouldn't feel pain. This was also the first match of the series where Whitmer was all Whitmerish. He busted out his shitty suplex combinations, and there were parts of the match where it felt like they were doing a "hot indy wrestling 2.9 section." Which is exactly the wrong thing for a match like this. Still in a year with a bunch of spectacular brawls this was right up there with them. And one from 2008 Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer IWA-MS 3/1 This was probably the feud of the year in 2007, and after they wrapped it up in ROH, they moved it over to IWA. I think this was the best of their matches, as this was Whitmer being the least Whitmerish. No real goofball fake Akiyama shit, no 2.9ish wrestling, just taking a beating and giving one. Jacobs was the face here, which differentiates it from the ROH feud, I don't really understand the booking, as Jacobs threw the title in the trash, but Fanin was the heel who couldn't let go of the faces betrayal. It works better as a match, Jacobs is a great heel, but he is also a great sympathetic babyface, while Whitmer is a wholly unappealing guy, which makes it difficult to buy him as a babyface. As a greasy faced scumbag gun for hire, he works fine. The short hair is a good look for Whitmer, he kind of looks like a small time Irish mob legbreaker, instead of a long haired Dark Star Orchestra roadie. I loved the restart, with Fanin refusing to let the ref stop it, when Jacobs was destroyed in the corner. You also have to love the Sullivan spike as a babyface move, and the Frye/Takayama double spike spot is spectacular. Plus fuck what an ending, if a homemade vasectomy can't cause a guy to quit, then nothing will.

I though Jake and Dustin had a great WCWSN match in 1992 too

May seem crazy initial, but I actually think he has a decent case for your indy era guys. Has had a pretty long a varied career with some good workrate tags and singles in ROH. Of course his bread and butter is as a brawler, and he is the best gimmick match brawler in . the last 15 or so years, tons of great I Quit, dog collar and cage matches, and really compelling character work and angles. I think if he had the same output in a territory rather then in the indies he would be a no brainer

I made an offhand throw away jimmy Jacobs comment, but I actually think he is an interesting candidate

Commentary says from the amphitheater but the wrestling classics guys say it is the wrigly match

With all of this new Chicago footage, Verne Gagne probably needs a thread

He definitely has a footage issue, I imagine if more Omni and Mid-South Coliseum stuff was available he would be a top 20 guy, but there are a really paucity of on tape EPIC Rich matches.

He has a fair number of on tape classics, there are probably as many great Embry matches as great Tommy Rich matches on tape . Definitely a guy who is hurt by 90's MSC matches not making tape, but I can see an argument for sure