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I consider Rey a number one contender. Probably the best t.v. match worker I've ever seen in the sense that if you ask him to have a three minute match with Jamie Noble it's going to be good and if you ask him to go fifteen with Shelton Benjamin it's going to be good and if you ask him to go nine minutes with Edge it's going to be good. Was good in that role during the Nitro era, good in that role as a junior in WWE, good in that role as the vet in WWE. I doubt anyone in history has more good televised matches than Rey, and he did it against a huge variety of opponents. Possible knock on him would be that he wasn't a good heel, but he never should have been a heel and is an all time great face. The other big knock I could see is that he lacks true classics, but I don't think that's true at all. In fact I think things like the Punk and Jericho series are classic series, they just aren't thought of that way because the WWE is terrible at making special things seem special. One of my all time favorite highspot guys AND one of my all time favorite sellers. He will rate well on my ballot

I think what will hurt Fujinami in the eyes of some is that he doesn't have the number of high end heavyweight singles matches you ideally want out of a GOATC. I think the Choshu feud is excellent, and then there is the Maeda match, and there are other things there as well (including the randomly awesome Nishimura match you noted above). But in large part because of how he was booked and the nature of his situation (i.e. not a traveling champion) he doesn't have the deep number of singles matches v. a wide variety of opponents. On the flipside he was an excellent tag team worker, a brilliant junior ace, and really stands out from the pack in the elimination/gauntlet matches NJPW loved to run during the 80's. It's hard to imagine a guy doing more in his situation than Fujinami did.

I can't really reply to that in the sort of detail I would like to because I have watched very little 90's Fujinami in recent years. Having said that I would be stunned if he didn't have ten good matches throughout the entire decade. It's certainly possible, but that would be among the most mind blowing declines in the history of wrestling. . The bigger point may be true, but I also feel like it's deceptive. The reality is that wrestling was much better/deeper in quality in Japan during the 90's than it was in the U.S. Flair might have been one of the thirty best wrestlers in Japan in 90 and 92, but I don't know that he would have been for any other year that decade. I also don't know that Flair was a top ten worker in the U.S. in any year after 90. 92 is possible, but that's the year of Dangerous Alliance in WCW and there are a lot of guys there I really love. I don't see it in 93 or 94. 95 was one of the worst in ring years in U.S. wrestling history and I still don't know if he makes a top ten that year. Meanwhile in Japan that whole period is a highpoint for NJPW juniors, AJPW heavies, emerging indies, Joshi, shootstyle, et. I am willing to concede that Flair's run of quality that we can document with a solid amount of tape is 82-94. Fujinami's is 77 or 78-89. Basically the same length of time.

Pre-1980s -- Michel Allary vs. Jack de Lassartesse (1/22/60) This was incredibly entertaining at points, but was needlessly long. I have no problem with long matches as a rule, but the way they set up the babyface comebacks in this was so ridiculously repetitive, and it came across as some of the most egregious time filling stuff I've ever seen in a match. Having said that from the perspective of pure character work and mechanics this was very good. I really liked the heel (I believe it was Jack de Lassartesse, but I had to have the sound turned way down so I'm not sure). He reminded me of a Pretty Boy Doug Somers and/or Chuck Sims, both in look, execution and how he carried himself. So much of what he did was awkward and almost unathletic looking, that he when he finally came off the top with the bombs away at the finish it felt like an even bigger blow than it would have otherwise. I'm not sure if that was by design, but it was a nice touch, and I have a soft spot in my heart for gangly, blatant cheaters, like this.

I was talking about this with my brother last night, but I really don't think the longevity of the peak of Flair is all that unusual. Jumbo is someone I don't connect with at all as a worker - in fact I'm generally repelled by him to the point where I have no desire to watch him wrestle ever again (something I'm going to have to get over for the purposes of this project). But I do think Jumbo's peak - or at least his run as a consistently very good worker is considerably longer than Flair's at least based on the evidence we have. To me the more interesting comparison to make at least at this stage is Jumbo and Fujinami. I came out of the 80's sets thinking that Fujinami was the best Japanese worker of the 80's over Jumbo and I think his 70's work is better too. And that's despite the fact that I think Jumbo was booked in a much stronger position than Fujinami for the majority of that period. I will grant that most don't agree with that (at least I don't think they do), but I would ask that you not discount Fujinami as another potential top level pick until you go through his run in the 80s

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I would want examples of this. For a high risk guy I don't think he was any more or less reckless than someone like Rey Jr. who regularly busted people open with his knee brace for example. Most of the time I thought Scorp's offense was brutal because it was a big guy, hitting an incredibly impressive spot with solid impact

Completely disagree with the idea that Scorp was especially sloppy and/or lacked the ability to put things together. To be honest I think he was one of the only guys in ECW who tried to work logic into matches and often times had to cover the for sloppiness of grossly inferior opponents. He was Sabu's best opponent ever, the only guy in ECW to get really inspired performance of Doug Furnas, had great stuff with RVD of all people in 98 when RVD was already trending into Carrot Top territory at a rapid rate, had a legitimately great match with a green as grass Bubba Dudley at a house show, and generally had good-to-great matches in pretty much any situation Heyman put him in. On top of that he was very good any time he got a chance in WCW (Windham, Benoit matches, some tag matches teaming with Bagwell v. Blondes, Eaton/Arn, et.), his NOAH stuff that I've seen is good and the few times he's shown up on tape in recent years he's delivered high end matches v. guys like Low Ki, Mike Cruz and others on the indies. He's also my favorite high flyer of all time because his big spots not only look pretty but also brutal as fuck, which is something very few people can say. He will easily make my ballot

I need to see how much 90's Chicky Starr there is and how good it is. In the 80's he really doesn't have enough to make my top 100, though his Scaffold Match with Invader 3 is legitimately excellent and one of the better rudo performances I've ever seen in a high stakes gimmick bout. Technically he's nothing special but if you are someone like Parv who is drawn to guys who can connect/draw heat with the crowd on a level like few others I could see rating Chicky

One day I need to go through the Cornette garbage tapes and any other available 70's MACW and see if I cant get a better feel for Patera. I still think his 1980 was a brilliant year all things considered, but especially given the limited utility of many of his opponents. The glimpses we have from St. Louis show some really good performances, and while I think Blackwell was clearly the better worker in their team, generally speaking I like The Sheiks as workers more than most. At this point he can't get on, because as great as he was in 80 it's not enough meat to get him over the hump. But there may be some revelations in 70's footage that could change my mind.

Loss is right - to me it is nearly impossible to watch Dump v. Chigusa. The stabbing, the post-match panic with people shrieking unable to do anything, the power dynamics...it has always made me uncomfortable. That's not to say it wasn't great for what it was, just that the torture porn/simulated rape aspect of it is too much for me.

Here are some controversial ones, but I think they deserve threads: Spike Dudley v. Candido Candido pre-match mic bit is pretty good and gets the crowd into this. Early Spike manages to escape Candido's clutches on the mat which only serves to piss him off as he grabs the mic and shit talks some more which leads to a really big "Fuck You Skip" chant. They run through another fast exchange that ends with Candido swatting off a dropkick, then another that ends with Spike monkey flipping Candido into the ropes. Spike takes over with a couple of arm drags, but Candido backs him into the corner and then Spike takes the Bret Hart face first corner bump. Candido ends up attempting this a second time and Spike makes a mini-comeback but Candido cuts off a splash with a nice powerslam then hits a cool looking jumping suplex both for nearfalls. Candido starts doing jumping jacks ala the Boddydonnas and now Spike is doing some great limp selling as they go to another hope spot with Candido powering out of a roll up and sending Spike shoulder first into the steel. Candido actually goes to work on the arm immediately with an armbar. Spike tries to comeback but Candido hits a nice looking gutwrench powerbomb for a nearfall. Candido goes for his diving headbutt but misses and Spike goes straight into comeback mode with a nice dropkick and rana followed by an enziguri that Candido took a nice flip bump for. Spike gets a couple of nearfalls in and Candido goes to an eyepoke before they go into one of the better looking sunset flip/trading roll up sequences I can recall as it wasn't overly long and it didn't look super contrived. Brief forearm battle and Spike hits the Acid Drop for a nearfall. He goes up top and hits a splash for another nearfall. Goes up again for what looks like a moonsault attempt but Candido crotches him. He is setting up for the top rope powerbomb but they both fall down into the ropes. Crowd chants "you fucked up" so Candido goes to the mat and does some push ups ala Skip which really was a pretty brilliant "fuck you" recovery, then goes back up and hits the top rope powerbomb on Spike for the finish. If not for the slight flub at the finish this would have been a serious candidate for top thirty ECW match ever and even with it I'm not sure that it really falls below that point. This was also the same week as Candido's great match with Mikey, so it is fair to say that Christmas of 96 was the apex of Candido in ECW. w/Bubba v. The FBI Holy shit this is one of my dream ECW matches. Pre-match J.T. sings Fly Me To The Moon while Guido shadow boxes and gets progressively more and more pissed off. Bubba and Spike come out and Spike has to be held back from storming the ring by Bubba at the same time J.T. is holding back Guido from storming Spike. Acid induced little man syndrome v. ethnic stereotype little man syndrome as storyline for a match is actually really great. At one point Bubba actually drags Spike off the apron onto the floor face first to control him and then leads the crowd in a Spike chant. J.T. sucks chant starts so the FBI start to leave but are coaxed back. J.T. gets on the mic and tries to teach Bubba how to sing Fly Me To The Moon, then slaps him for not saying his name so Bubba paintbrushes him and J.T. sells this like he was just hit by a bus. Then they go straight back to holding back their respective little men. Bubba shoves J.T. down after the initial collar and elbow and J.T. and Bubba end up holding back Guido and Spike again. Man this is awesome. Bubba slaps J.T. damn near out yet again and AGAIN they do the holding back the little men spot. Bubba rolls up his middle finger at a front row fan as Sign Guy laughs in his face. J.T. backs Bubba into the corner and unloads with some punches that had to have been intentionally shitty then turn around and says "I kicked his friggin ass huh?" Of course Bubba then lays him out with a clothesline and a dropkick and actually propels himself into a front flip over the ropes because he is celebrating so hard. Then he gets back in the ring and knocks Guido off the apron. Hilariously J.T. now complains of a hai rpull which is utterly ridiculous and awesome. Crowd chants "We Want Spike." Guido has already tagged in and J.T. holds him back and releases him into a drop toehold. Tremendously awesome spot with Spike and Guido exchanging shoulder tackles and strongman facial expressions, then slaps, then Guido ducks down on an attempted rope spot sending Spike to the floor. J.T. is screaming at him to "kick his freaking ass!" and Guido delivers with a stiff clothesline for a nearfall. Bubba starts a "Little Shit" chant directed at Guido. Guido tags in J.T. who whips Spike into the turnbuckles face first, then they do the paisan drop elbow and J.T. kisses his fingers in approval. J.T. hits his forward flip into the ropes/splash combo for a nearfall. Spike tries to comeback and leaps into an electric chair position, J.T. drops down and goes to a waste lock but Spike spins J.T. off. Spike runs the ropes and gets fucking KILLED with a clothesline from J.T. J.T. drags Spike to the corner and they do the fake tag spot behind the refs back with Guido coming in and hitting a back body drop, complaining about a slow count and then dropkicking Bubba on the apron. Ring is cut off on Spike and J.T. gets tagged back in. J.t. with a delayed vertical suplex and Guido is stomping on Spike's head while Bubba tries to get in the ring but is kept at bay by the ref. Fuck awesome spot as the FBI go for a double clothesline but Bubba - standing on the apron - catches Spike lifts him up and tosses him onto the FBI for a double body press. Bubba gets the hot tag, tosses Guido onto his fucking face on the floor. He hits a huge side slam on J.T. and then sits on the top rope. Spike leaps off of his shoulders and Spike's head literally hits a rafter for a great nearfall as Guido just makes into the ring for the save. Bubba gets pissed and picks up Guido and chunks him onto the ref with a gorilla press. D-Von sneaks in behind Bubba and kills him with a chairshot allowing J.T. to score the pin. Spike and Guido keep brawling and Spike takes an insane face first bump onto the ring post, a hot shot on the guardrail and then Guido stands on a fucking lunch counter and leaps off with a stomp. Big Dick hits the ring and destroys the FBI with chokeslams. Dick chases D-Von off and the FBI try and calm him down at ringside but Bubba hits a fucking tope onto all of them as Spike comes back from the dead to throw forearms. Bubba puts an end to this segment by breaking Sign Guy's sign on Guido's back. This is the Cowabunga v. Jim Cornette of the ECW Set. Extremely entertaining match with everyone looking good. Fun, unexpected spots. Great schtick. Good nearfalls. Awesome pre-match and post-match stuff. To me this is a stone cold lock. Guaranteed personal pick regardless of what anyone else thinks. w/Bubba v. The Bad Crew Oh my god the spot with Bubba backdropping Spike onto Bad Crew on the floor was unbelievably dangerous. Then Bubba tries to kill one of the Bad Crew with a whiplash clothesline. Spike ends up working FIP when this settles into a straight tag and as usually he was great bumping and selling his ass off for the Bad Crew of all people. I mean Bad Crew just fucking destroy him with double teams and it is awesome as all hell. Acid drop is sets up the hot tag here and was really well done. Bubba comes in and just murders these guys with splashes and dropkicks and a monster cutter that looks like it killed the guy. The finish has a great camera angle as Spike gets on Bubba's shoulders while he's on the top and leaps off and the shot from RF makes it look like a thirty foot drop down an elevater shaft. This had all the spots you would want to see plus good structure and selling. No way in hell this shouldn't go through. Sheamus Sheamus v. Christian - SD 2/19 I love how every Sheamus match feels like a fight to the finish, where he is trying to kill his opponent but is also willing to die himself for our pleasure. Seriously these guys were a couple of minutes in and you have Sheamus doing the rolling hills on the floor, both guys taking wild barricade bumps, et. Christian's new gimmick as the guy who attacks body parts, is pretty great too. I loved him using the exposed steel on the barricade to open up an injury, and Sheamus shrieking in pain when he got his arm stomped on was great. I also gotta give it to Sheamus for busting out the Finlayesque forearm rakes to try and break Christian's cover/offense. I wasn't in love with the finishing stretch here, but if you are a fan of either guy you will like this. Sheamus v. Christain - Street Fight RAW 3/10 Yeah the Sun Studios props were kind of absurd, but this was a really fun brawl. In the past when they have done these prop heavy brawls they have been absent any storyline, but this had a real feud to it and two guys who will work dangerous and violent spots. Christian's tornado DDT on the floor spot was completely nuts, but I think my personal favorite was Sheamus throwing 17 or 18 of his big chest shots to Christian who was desperately trying to break free the whole time. Both of these guys were busted open and/or covered with welts on their back from the weapon shots, and the finish was one of the best examples of effective cartoon violence I've seen in the WWE in some time. Sheamus vs. Titus O'Neil, Main Event 4/22 I thought this was completely awesome. Not at the level of the absolute best stuff this year, but just beneath that level, and a real feather in the cap of both guys. I honestly think Sheamus is quietly building a case as a number one contender, and this match might be his crown jewel so far. Tons of fun, violent and impactful spots in this. Titus is really good as a shit talking bully, who hits really hard, and surprises you with explosiveness and different looking spots. Sheamus is one of the best offensive wrestlers in the company, and I really liked him offensively here (his second rope knee drop is a cool addition offensively), but I thought he was most impressive here working an almost Rey Mysterioesque underneath role, eating crazy cut off spots, going for high risk offense and paying the price, and then winning with a nice combo. Even if you don't like this as much as I did, I can't imagine everyone here not really enjoying Sheamus slingshotting himself into the wall that is Titus and eating the floor. This ruled. Samoa Joe AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe- TNA 6/20/13 This was easily the best TNA match I've seen all year. In fact it was good period, not just good for TNA. It's hard to take Styles or Joe seriously because of their look, but aside from that this was about as good a ten minute tv match as I would expect those two to have at this point. I liked all the early headlock stuff a ton a ton and their were a ton of fun spots in this. Really liked the AJ face plant on the apron and loved the spot with Joe cracking Styles with a straight punch to cut down a flurry of offense. I also really enjoyed the grappling exchanges consider the fact that they were grappling exchanges involving 2013 AJ Styles and Samoa Joe. I would imagine most everyone here would enjoy this. Samoa Joe v. Willie Mack - Championship Wrestling From Hollywood 11/? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6KYCZOhZEQ Very happy this turned up on a watchable fancam, because this is about the closest thing to an indie dream match one will find in this admittedly bleak era. This was also doubles as a "battle of the athletic fat guys" match, though this had a modern spin on it. To some degree this was exactly what you would expect, as Joe controlled the match, with Mack getting in some nice offensive comebacks, and Joe finding clever ways to cut him off with his standard spots. On another level though this almost came across like a Joe tryout for when TNA inevitably shits the bed, as he worked a lot harder than he had to. This match built well and they did a good job mixing in believable false finishes (Joe sleeper spot, Mack sunset flip out of the muscle buster, Mack big splash off the top) without getting into nearfall for nearfall sake territory. I also loved the finish with Mack getting the kickout of Joe's big find and then eating a huge lariat for the fall. Austin Aries vs Samoa Joe TNA slammiversary 6.10/13 Holy shit, it's a good Samoa Joe singles match. Haven't seen one of those in half a decade. Anyhow this was good stuff. Aries is really becoming excellent at working these high speed, bomb throwing affairs that are kept short enough where you are still saying "holy shit!" instead of "fucking end this." Really liked the dive attempt cut off and the later dive from Aries. Also loved Joe bring the the headbutts. I watched this with the sound off and can only imagine how the shockingly awesome live crowd may have added to this. God bless Joe for taking a lunatic bump on the brainbuster and god bless both of them for stiffing each other and putting together such a fun match. Mark Briscoe AND Jay Briscoe Mark Briscoe v. Jay Briscoe - ROH 6/22/13 I was really glad that I watched the tv show this week before I saw this as the whole show was devoted to the history of these two in ROH and their sibling rivalry. Without seeing that I'm not sure it worked as well, but it's a rare case of ROH really executing something right and even the things in this that are major flaws in the ROH style make some sort of sense in the context of two brothers kicking the shit out of each other. For example the anticipation spots in this where each guy has the others shit scouted plays on what you would expect out of two backyarder wrestling brothers turned pro. Loved the bit with Mark offering the handshake and going straight into his schtick as a fuck you to big brother. I also thought the Kung Fu v. Boxing of Jay was a lot of fun. This had a number of highspots, but also a number of headbutts and little things like Mark getting a near fall off of the move that beat Jay in his ROH debut was pretty cool. I even dug the one count near fall off the second J-Driller which I would normally hate, because again as someone who has several little brothers, I've seen them eat my best shot and stand up for the sole purpose of proving they could take it. There were a couple of flubs in the stream which sucks because they seemed to be at pretty important moments, but over all I really enjoyed this. The Briscoes vs. Mike Bennett & Matt Hardy - ROH 6/22 Yeah this was great for what it was. When I read the reviews of this I figured it would be great and actually was able to track it down earlier today (sorry Bucky, but hey at least you got motivated to watch it!). I like all of these guys, and figured it was going to be an insane car crash, and that's exactly what it was. Mark Briscoe was amazing in this. Jay is the guy who gets the singles pushes, and I get why, but Mark as this freak show, ball of energy, who takes lunatic bumps, and spot runs better than anyone in wrestling, is an absolutely perfect fit. I actually liked the whole restart angle to this, and for a spotfests they did a great job making all the big spots feel distinct. Bennett taking the Doomsday Devince on the floor was psychotic, the crash and burn table spot was well teased and well delivered, Mark's Cactus Elbow was great et. I also though Mark Bennett hitting Mark with a Side Effect on the floor was a pretty crazy spot, but in a match this nuts it is well down the depth chart of crazy shit. Finishing bump from Hardy was completely insane for a guy his age. Even the Nick Seary shit added to this. Really fucking fun match. Bullet Club v. The Briscoes - ROH 5/17 At this rate I want to watch every Briscoes match this year. This was another really fun match, that had elements of wild brawl, and elements of straight tag. The Briscoes are just so great at bringing a sort of feral energy to their matches, that makes everything feel extra dangerous. Gallows and Anderson have been a dreadful team in New Japan, and this is by far the best match I've ever seen them in as a unit. Really loved the early brawling on the floor, as the smaller Briscoes came across as the equals and/or superiors of the bigger guys which helped this a lot. Mark's FIP was a lot of fun, and he took a fucking high back body drop on the floor here that was completely nuts. Finishing run was surprisingly good, could have easily been something that ran off the rails, and instead it ended at just the right moment. Well worth seeking out.

Joshi -- Mayumi Ozaki vs. Hiromi Yagi (3/3/96) I liked this match, but I can't call it great. To be fair I'm not sure that's what they were going for, but I still found it lacking in a few major ways. The big positive to me was that I am generally a mark for matches like this where you have someone working a more targeted, mat/limbwork attack, against a more powerful and impactful performer. The big spots in this from Oz really jumped out at me as the delivery of them was really nasty, almost like she was annoyed that Yagi was even winning points against her. Having said that - and recognizing that the match had a clear hierarchical element to it - I was annoyed by Oz's refusal to sell any of the limbwork at all and some of her counter spots saw her complete blow off damage to set something up. Down the stretch her selling was good and the finishing run itself was really strong. Still this is kind of a weird match to jump back into Joshi with, as Ozaki was one of my favorites years ago, and I came out of this thinking Yagi was the better wrestler in the match (or at least the more consistent of the two).

Would note that I have seen some of these, but I think the most reviewing of any of these was about three years ago (Funks tag)

Alright cool. I've got my seven matches for this week: Terry Funk and Dory Funk Jr vs. The Sheik and Abdullah the Butcher (9/19/78) Pre-1980s -- Michel Allary vs. Jack de Lassartesse (1/22/60) Joshi -- Mayumi Ozaki vs. Hiromi Yagi (3/3/96) 90s Lucha -- Pierroth Jr vs. Mogur (1/12/90) Europe -- Steve Veidor vs. Gwyn Davies (5/26/76) Kawada & Fuchi vs Nagata & Iizuka (12.14.2000) Bull Nakano vs. Devil Masami (04-18-1993)

Listing what I've already seen would be impossible, but reposting my priorities is probably not a bad idea. 1. Pre-1980 wrestling (excepting Portland where I have seen all of the 70's footage fairly recently, and to a slightly lesser extent WWWF). 2. Joshi 3. 90's Lucha 4. FMW 5. U.S. Indies (really selected matches more than anything) 6. 00's Japan (see U.S. Indies) 7. Europe To answer KrisZ's question I have a long road to go so the particular wrestlers matter less to me in starting off than that I am actually getting the ball rolling. By my count there have been five matches picked for this week- four from OJ and one from Parv. Let's see if we can get two more

Because there are things I want to get to but need the extra shove, I decided to recruit the board to help me with this. I have posted the key things I want/need to revisit/watch in the Priorities thread. For the time being I would like this thread to focus on what is in that thread, though it does not exclusively have to be the case, and I anticipate things changing going forward. Basically what I want out out of this thread is simple - every week I am going to try and watch seven matches that fit my "needs." Rather than get lost in a sea of YouTube, or cherry pick what I think will be best, I am asking that you guys pick the matches for me. This will be first come, first serve, so whoever responds first with seven matches (one person doesn't have list all seven, but they can if they want), those are the ones I'm watching. For my sanity late entries will not role over, so if you want to pick part/all of the seven for next week drop something in here at 7pm next Saturday. I would prefer the matches be available on Youtube, but Dailymotion is workable as well if that's the only option. I have no clue if this will work or fall on it's face, but I'm turning things over to you the board at this point. Lets see if we can get seven matches on my docket.

Also someone not named me needs to bring three Samoa Joe reviews over

Not all that likely to vote for either, but Ken Patera and Chicky Starr are both guys who deserve nominations/discussion and have tons of reviews in the 80s committee section. Patera also has a thread in the Microscope

Projects like this aren't a science and the results are less important the journey. I would encourage you to participate Joe, but I understand if you won't. Lord knows it is brutally hard for me to rank matches, so it's not like I can't see where you are coming from

What bothers me about rovert's whining is that it strikes me as a preemptive effort to attack the results of a project he has refused to engage with up until this point. Rather than complaining because someone dared to nominate Jimmy Jacobs instead of other allegedly superior wrestlers (I would note there is something comical about accusations of non-inclusiveness being made by someone attacking the nomination of a peripheral indie guy but I digress), why not nominate the superior wrestlers? If the answer is "they aren't popular here and I don't want to have to defend my nomination," than the accusation of cowardice hardly seems misplaced. This is something that bothers me in general about the accusation of elitism and intimidation that I have seen tossed around a few times in this thread - expressing an opinion that goes against Meltzerian Gospel, established "smart fan" standards, or WWE's view of history should not be seen as elitism. It should be seen as an opinion to be debated, discussed, et. It strikes me that much of the "you guy are in a bubble, and unfair to opposing views" criticism basically comes down to "you have different views on wrestler X, or style Y than I do, and therefore you are just a contrarian with eccentric views who is not worth talking to." In other words the people accusing others of elitism are elitist.

What style are you referring to?

Since you enjoy giving your opinions (allegedly), why aren't you nominating people for GWE project?

Not close minded I have watched a lot of Jimmy's work over the years and most likely more of his recent work than anyone here. It isn't perceived though it is an actuality. The Devitt experience along with other stuff leads me to believe that it would be a pretty pointless exercise due to the biases and close mindedness of some prominent posters. Not interested in another hounding due to be posting a well heeled or largely held opinion outside of the general PWO bubble either. You wouldn't even give an actual opinion on what you thought of Devitt as I recall, so I haven't the foggiest notion if he's a favorite of yours or not. You generally cower in fear at the idea of expressing an actual opinion on anything, so it's hard to imagine what opinions you would feel are worth presenting in any public forum, here or otherwise

Will you be submitting a ballot/nominating people rovert or are you just here to cry about perceived injustice toward unnamed favorites?

With about a week left to think about it here are the guys I'm positive I'm voting for: Enrique Torres Carlos Colon Junkyard Dog Ken Patera Rock N Roll Express Cien Caras El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro I am about 90 percent sure Ivan Koloff and Kinji Shibuya are going on too which leaves me with one slot left. Lots of guys I'm considering with that last vote, including The Andersons, The Assassins and Hamada who are in danger of being timed off the ballot this year, Taue, Akiyama, Murdoch, Volk Han, The Sharpes, Mark Lewin, Villano III, Blue Panther, Los Brazos, Lagarde and Ramirez. Of those I feel the strongest about V3 and Hamada, but I could be convinced if someone has really strong arguments for one of the others.