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I honestly don't think there's a single "great" Hansen/Misawa match, which is one of the biggest goddamn mysteries of all time. Two incredible workers that simply do not mesh. This is a tired old saw. They meshed fine, and Hansen played a huge role in getting Misawa over as the new ace. Hansen hit higher peaks against Kobashi and Kawada, but those were some of the greatest matches of all time.

He was widely regarded as such in 2014 and 2015. If not the best, certainly one of the top five.

I love how often people play the "You're a Canadian" card on Steven.

Ooh, psyched for that one.

I'm not clear how he broke down doors. Did he do anything that Bret or Shawn or Benoit or Eddie or Angle didn't do? I don't think Jericho was awful by any means, and Loss' arguments for him ring true to me intellectually. But I have never felt swept away by a Jericho match. Well, maybe the Rey matches, but almost never. I'm always very aware with him that I'm watching a guy giving a wrestling performance. His obsession with counters is part of that as is the disconnect between his ambition and his athleticism. I'd make some of the same criticisms about Punk, but Punk had more great matches.

Hogan represents the wholesome, moralistic, respectable facade of the 80s. Flair represents the sleazy, money hungry, decadent truth. The beauty (well, horror) of Hogan is that he represented the truth and the lies of the Reagan era in one outsized package.

The one key difference between him and Undertaker is that he got himself massively over in both AWA and Japan, before the Vince production machine really kicked in.

Don't let your sons grow up to start Ric Flair threads.

Wish Tajiri had held on past a few others, but that's a hell of a placement for him all in all.

Did we lose anything from having it be long? Voter turnout was high, interest never seemed to lag and people are having a blast with the rollout.

This was a good time for Doc to drop. He was my 100 but the criticisms for him are pretty similar to those for Rude.

And Mutoh

I'm having good luck with my vendettas today so Rude and Mutoh, I'm looking at you. Time to go. Love the Ravishing One but he's gone far enough on one great year and creating a miracle with Warrior. Mutoh's best is certainly GWE worthy but if you care about consistency at all, it's hard to think he should go any higher.

I've read Matt on Eadie many times but he pulled it all together for an impressive testimonial to his guy at the end of this show. Also thought Stacey delivered a smart defense of Jeff Hardy.

I haven't jumped into the Piper renaissance with two feet, despite having watched his Portland stuff. He was remarkably over, but I'm still not sure I've seen a ton of great wrestling performances from him, even in the land of Don Owen. The Valentine match endures as an incredible showing, and perhaps if I saw more of his Mid-Atlantic stuff, I'd turn the corner more decisively? I don't know. He was also pretty bad in his last WCW run--not just in the ring but as a guy who became tone deaf about how the crowd saw him. That doesn't matter too much, but it didn't leave a good taste.

Happy to be a minority voice with you here. You're not really a minority voice if he makes less than half of the ballots. I don't know too many people who had him in thier lists. I know of a couple. An interesting comparison would be Undertaker vs. Inoki. A shitload of matches.... a shitload of main event protection.... a handful of classics and a ton of crap. That's actually a great comparison, and Inoki was clearly better.

Is the battle to reorder AJPW consensus or to destroy the consensus that AJPW was the best wrestling ever?

This has been an awesome day in terms of eliminating wrestlers I didn't want to see go any higher.

I'm now picturing Garvin beating the holy hell out of Zayn in the GWE Invitational.

Colon hasn't been accused of killing anyone.

Garvin's rise from 237 to 90 seems to suggest all the advocacy has been effective. His placement is one of the happier results so far.

Scorp had a great '08 in general. At the time, I liked his matches with Callihan and Necro more than his Claudio match. Meanwhile, Generico needs to bite the dust. The idea that he could finish 20-25 spots higher than Ki and Hero irks me.

Well, you're not a math teacher.

I'm actually fine with Tanahashi making the top 100, though I didn't vote for him. He found himself as a worker before Nakamura did, and he's sort of the Japanese Cena in the sense that he's made it work as his country's No. 1 main eventer despite an uninspiring skill set.

Interesting that Nakamura finished below Tanahashi. I figured he'd do better given that he's beloved by modern New Japan fanboys and well regarded by a lot of the more frequent posters here. Fine spot for him though.