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I guess you could always give Victor that, he never did anything half-assed. He was always a whole-ass kind of guy.

As the story goes, he let David sleep at his house only to have David wake up with Victor standing over him jacking off to completion.

Just seemed like fitting payback to a guy who was basically a professional rapist.

Indeed he did. Illustrates how confusing that time period was.

Yeah, that's the sort of flip-flop that ensures the company will never be booking for the Internet. They should never book for the Internet anyway. Booking for a small subset of the crowd was one of the millions of problems WCW had.

I thought Tony Atlas looked like George Foreman's long lost twin brother.

A thread I'm posting in over at Smarkschoice reminded me of all the confusion surrounding the Big Gold Belt and how despite what a lot of people think, the NWA and WCW World Titles are actually two separate entities. I thought I'd make a thread explaining the admittedly messy lineage of the two titles for easy reference the next time you run across someone who thinks they're the same thing. First off, the backstory. Turner bought Jim Crockett Promotions in 1988 and soon started rebranding it as World Championship Wrestling. At this time WCW was still a member of the National Wrestling Alliance, albeit pretty much the only member of any substance left at that point. 1991 is where the mess starts, when Ric Flair faced off with Tatsumi Fujinami in the WCW/NJPW Supershow in Tokyo. Fujinami wins the match and the NWA title, but Flair was still the WCW champion. This marked the first time there was separate champions. Flair would reunify the belts two months later, but it was a sign of things to come. When Ric Flair left for the WWF, he was stripped of the WCW title on 7/1/91, but he wasn't stripped of the NWA title until 9/8/91 (which was a mere 2 days before his WWF debut). On 7/14/91 Lex Luger beat Barry Windham in the infamous Bash 91 fiasco to win the WCW World title, while the NWA World title remained vacant until Masahiro Chono won a tournament in Japan on 8/12/92. Offically, the WCW World title started a new line at this point. What caused the confusion that exists to this day is that in 1993, the NWA and WCW started to work together again, with the NWA World and tag titles being defended on WCW TV. WCW Champion Ric Flair beat NWA Champion Barry Windham on 7/18/93 unifying, for the moment, both belts. The NWA and WCW tag titles were also unified at this point too. Then it happened. WCW quit the NWA in September of 93, vacating NWA titles held by WCW wrestlers. WCW couldn't bill the holder of the Big Gold Belt as the NWA World Champion anymore so we instead got the nonsense of the WCW International Heavyweight Title. While that was going on, the NWA had a tournament to name a new champion, which ended up being Shane Douglas who famously threw down the belt and created ECW. WCW finally "unified" the WCW World and WCW International titles, allowing them to use the Big Gold Belt as the WCW World title again. The NWA ended up finding a champion who wouldn't throw down the belt in Chris Candido, and then gave Dan Severn a 4 year reign as champ that actually saw the NWA grow and add more members than any point in its history. After a year or two of bouncing around the indy circuit, the NWA Board of Directors gave TNA control of the World and tag titles in 2002 and the rest is history. So, to sum things up: 1. The WCW title only existed from 1991 to 2001, unless you want to count the time it was being defended in WWE. 2. The NWA title was the main title in JCP/WCW up until Ric Flair left for the WWF in 1991. 3. The "WCW International Title" was pretty much the boneheaded way WCW came up with to get the Big Gold Belt back as the belt for the WCW Title. 4. None of the above have any link to the current WWE Smackdown World Championship, in fact the whole idea of the WWE using the Big Gold Belt to give it credibility is the same thing WCW did with its world championship (using its prestige as the symbol of the NWA World title). Hopefully that makes things slightly more clear in a topic muddled by typical wrestling politics and carny BS.

Mickie needs to start challenging the other Divas to the Vaginalock Challenge on RAW.

I don't think Cena's problem is so much the "wigger" thing as much as he's getting the Blue Chipper Rocky push and the people don't like it. WWE has to turn all their champions into grinning idiots (like Diesel and Brock) and people are getting tired of it.

Indeed, that might have been the greatest counter of a move in wrestling history.

As long as Cena gets the reaction he does, I wish they'd let him be the "whatever, I'm gonna do my thing" character they seemed to be heading toward before they went back to trying to make him Smilin' Babyface again.

Also, by his own logic, HHH is a terrible heel since he got cheered against Cena.

Maybe it's Vince's "shades of grey" he promised in his Death of Kayfabe speech finally coming to fruition. Also, someone pointed out that CM Punk was part of Cena's entrance. As Cunny would say, I roffle'd at that.

The problem is that WWE is trying force feed Cena on the fans, and he's getting the Die Rocky Die reactions when he's supposed to be the top babyface.

Cena winning seemed like the right thing for the wrong reasons. Like Vince didn't change the booking because it's the correct finish, he changed it just because the crowds are shitting on his pet project and he's gonna show us who's boss.

Guess we know what finish Vince changed beforehand, as the Backlash ads seem to imply Cena challenging to get his title back.

Cena vs HHH is YOUR WM MAIN EVENT, NEXT!

The Chicago crowd is setting the tone for HHH/Cena by completely cheering Mickie and booing Trish out of the building. JR's trying to cover by saying they're a "defiant" crowd.

Results so far from Meltz:

I hope Brody got a chance for afterlife payback before Victor got deposited in hell.

The show ran from about 7 to 11 CST, and what we saw on USA was heavily edited. Bret had a 30 minute speech live that got cut to about 5.

If they ever would turn Cena heel and let him use his charisma like the Rock did, he could be the next huge star Vince keeps trying to create. Instead, they keep him as the babyface no one wants to see and he gets booed out of the building at the HoF.