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I like Kana a lot. She does the best Crossface Chickenwing I have ever seen too. I'm not sure if she speaks English or not but I don't think WWE would give her a second thought either for the same reasons you expressed. Hopefully they get away from that mentality & just look at talent eventually though. Some of the best wrestlers of all-time, male or female, weren't the prototypical look that WWE seems to seek out today. I wish they would remember their own history sometimes. Nowadays, a guy like Dusty Rhodes might not ever get a shot. A fat dude with a lisp? Would they even put him in developmental? Shame.

WWE going to run a Millionaire's Club... lol Hogan, Sting, Undertaker, Triple H, Big Show & Kane Vs. The Shield, Cesaro, Rusev & Owens. ...that's a lot of Pedigrees.

I liked that the women of NXT got to show up on RAW and do some stuff. I don't like that most of the shine from the segment is going to go on how smart Stephanie McMahon is...whom also took the opportunity to verbally run down the dominant Divas champion. Just because she can and that's what she does, I guess? Whatever. Becky & Sasha got to be on RAW. Cool by me.

I just wanna say, this is the best pro-wrestling forum & community that I have ever been a part of. I'm glad to be here. It's knowledgeable & despite others having differing opinions a lot of the time, it's a breath of fresh air to see people defend those opinions without always just making hyperbolic statements or disregarding the opinion of everyone else entirely. I hope to strive to reach that point sometime myself as I feel I'm in the latter part of that most of the time. I've finally given up completely on DVDVR. It's not been the same to me for a long time but it just feels like the mods/admins don't care & the posters themselves care more about spamming awful jokes than actually discussing professional wrestling. I love Sasha Banks in NXT, however saying she's one of the ten best workers on the planet, ehh, that's a bit too hyperbolic for me. So I just wanted to leave some positive feedback saying that I appreciate everyone here, the discussion, the conversation, the threads & all. Keep up the good work. I'm glad to be a part of this community.

I wonder why Vince thinks Rusev isn't attractive enough. He seems like a pretty handsome & masculine dude to me. Especially to a woman that likes big guys, which I assume Lana does IRL if they're together.

This is what's crazy to me: WWE goes out of their way to make sure that the WWE brand is the "draw" and not an individual. To the point where they go out of their way to actively cool people down. Then they hold it against them when they don't draw? If you've ever seen any of the Mike Graham shoots, one of his big catchphrases is "he never drew a dime!" Says it all the time, in pretty much everything, about everyone in every company. Benoit? Didn't draw a dime. Guerrero? Didn't draw a dime. Shane Douglas? Didn't draw a dime. Jeff Jarrett? Didn't draw a dime. In this day & age, who the fuck does draw? John Cena? And that's because of merch. Is there anyone else? Anyone else anywhere in the world, any country? Is there a big draw in Japan or Mexico?

...on THIS forum? I don't know about that.

I feel like his defense of Flair is having the opposite desired effect on me than what he's shooting for - It's making me like Flair less, which I'm sure is not the intention.

I actually think this alone would make a great thread. You can't be short-sighted but where does it all fit on the timeline? How far ahead should a company look? Long-term booking & writing is something I'm a fan of but I agree no one is thinking about five or ten years down the road. Six months to a year though? Absolutely. Also, if people in pro-wrestling thought about the ramifications of their decisions more, would things be better or worse? A lot of it is obviously hindsight but it's interesting to think about. There's also a lot of very selfish people in the industry that just care about themselves. Not just the wrestlers.

Essential viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALyg-EhxbgI

I was thinking today about how I think Heath Slater is just a better Dolph Ziggler. He's entertaining on the microphone, he has a very punchable face which is great for a heel, he's a good bumper & seller...and he's younger. Kind of wish WWE would give him more. I shut RAW off. I just can't sit through the damn thing anymore. It's so boring. It's nothing but replays & commercials breaks with nothing matches in-between to kill time. I can't do it. Certainly not for three hours.

• Sucked // Forgettable // Meh // Boring • Pretty Good // Fun // Alright • Awesome // Recommendation Worthy // Re-Watchable I find every match pretty much fits into one of those categories. Any in the first category, I won't watch a second time or probably even remember after a day or two. Any in the second category might spark some conversation online or whatever but all-in-all, they're usually just middle-of-the-road matches that don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. Think a lot of 15-minute RAW matches with commercial breaks. Last category is for really good matches or Match of the Year candidates. There's a lot of guys, like Dolph Ziggler or Sheamus, whom have made a career out of being in my second category pretty often.

I already like Blake & Murphy more than The Decade in Ring of Honor. That's with Whitmer being a 37-year-old man & a 15-year veteran. Then again, I'm not sure how relevant of a statement that even is. My point being they have a bigger upside than other wrestlers around that I have watched lately. I do like their finish. The running Vertical Suplex into the Frog Splash. It sort of reminds me of Power & Glory's old Powerplex finish. I think the biggest issue with B&M so far, is that they can't promo. Then they slapped Alexa Bliss with them too & she can't promo either. So now we have a trio that no one can talk for. Their stuff in the ring alone isn't good enough to get them over and none of them can talk. I'm not sure what more they can do on their current path in NXT. So let them start talking a lot more to see if they improve. It is developmental, after all, like SomethingSavage said. Damn shame Dusty Rhodes passed away, as who better to learn to talk from? Whom else is down in NXT to train them? A-Train is the head trainer now, right? He was never a good promo either. They're trying to do some stuff to get them some cheap heat. The dubstep entrance, the Lenny/Lodi/Jericho style ponytails, etc. I just don't think that stuff will really work in front of the smark-heavy NXT crowds.

I liked the crowd chanting "same old shit!" so then he did some new stuff, including that top rope legdrop which might have been the first time I ever seen him do that. They then chanted "...you still suck!"

Which is what I find so intriguing about it. I also think age plays a big factor too. A fan that's been watching since the 70's is going to have different criteria/perspective than a fan that started in the 80's or 90's. Even if you go back & watch stuff, it's never the same as when you watched it as a kid.

John Cena is the single name that I'm the most interested in seeing where they finish on the final list. If someone were to put him at number one, I wouldn't argue. John Cena might just be the greatest wrestler of all-time. If we look at body of work, great matches, promos, drawing power/merch sales, longevity, popularity, etc. I mean... he's been really good, for a really long time, on top in the biggest promotion in the world & having great matches with many different wrestlers. I often can't see the forest from the trees but I realize I'm watching greatness with John Cena. Sure, he's had some stinkers & cringe-worthy one-liners but as an overall package, for someone that we can pretty much see the entirety of his career (all in good quality even), Cena is pretty damn great. He's also been booked like a mammoth too and I could see some holding that against him. It's going to come down to what criteria each individual values more than the others but John Cena finishing in the top 10 certainly wouldn't shock me.

Personally, I am not a big fan of anything with Balor. Most times when I say I don't like the entrance and paint, the response is "you don't like anything," but I just think they and the character are really lame. It's already getting played out by the time he reaches the ring in a small room. That being said, I didn't care for Prince Devitt in NJPW (especially the last year or so he was there), so maybe I am just pre-disposed to not being into the guy. I also totally agree with goc re: Full Sail. I don't think being over in front of that crowd means anything. However, if a guy CAN'T get over in that room, they might as well just release them. A lot of it might just be getting older & seeing everything too. Were you impressed by The Great Muta the first time you saw him? Imagine an 8-year-old seeing Demon Balor for the first time.

Dusty Rhodes & Christopher Lee in the same day.

Fun show. Genuinely surprised Owens went over that clean. I'm sure Cena wins the next match in two weeks to set-up a rubber match. Honestly don't hate the 2-week PPV format. Gives me a reason to use my WWE Network account more than once a month... Ambrose/Rollins lost me. The Chambers were fun just to see if anything happened (it didn't, really). Felt bad for Bo/Neville having to go on after Cena/Owens. Thought the Divas would try to do more after the great showing from Banks/Lynch on the NXT PPV. Basically the theme of the night is that I was wrong on pretty much everything I assumed.

I'm looking forward to both Chamber matches but I'm exceptionally excited for Owens/Cena. It's only 4:30pm for me now, show feels forever away. I hope I don't fall asleep during it. I'm already tired. If I do, I guess I can just watch/finish it tomorrow. Beauty of the network. I'm supposed to have company tonight though. Wish me luck!

Good promo, great character, good mind for the business... bad in the ring. Even his pre-Raven stuff where he wasn't doing the garbage spots was the shits. I can listen to him talk all day though. And I'm a big fan of his. In fact, in high school, he was probably my favorite wrestler. He's a big reason why I sought out ECW too because my first exposure to him was in WCW. If he made my list it'd be at the tail end of it & it would be a sentimental pick. I just don't think the body of work is there.

MOTYC from Lynch/Banks. Good stuff. Felt like the whole show was built around letting them show what they could do. From a wrestling standpoint, that was pretty much the only thing on this show too. Cool to see Joe. Good entrances from Breeze/Balor. Great ovation in the crowd for Uhaa. Also, no idea why he was there but I marked out for The Mountain.

That Kevin Owens segment was honestly the segment I remember enjoying the most since Brock's surprise return when he hit the F-5 on Vince McMahon & broke his hip. The Owens segment, in part, worked so well because it was Sami Zayn out there the week before. Owens looks stronger going into his title match with Zayn on the NXT show & looks like a serious threat to even the main roster. He made his belt look stronger. He made his show & match seem more important & he made himself seem like a bigger threat & a big deal. And it set stuff up for the future. That's pro-wrestling.

They're gonna get someone like Summer Rae or Emma to be Miss Elizabeth. Then they Mega-Powers will "explode" over jealousy of her.

Since when has the pre-show been an hour long, not a half hour long? Has it always been like that & I'm just mis-remembering?